Israeli Officials: Let’s Starve Iranian Civilians

Israeli Officials: Let’s Starve Iranian Civilians
Officials Figure Starving Iranians Would Probably Impose Regime Change

by Jason Ditz

Global Research, March 1, 2012
Antiwar.com – 2012-02-29

AKIN TO THEIR “GERMANY MUST PERISH” BOOK.
IMAGINE HAD IRANIANS SAID THIS RE THE JEWS?

Hot on the heels of the US “food for nukes” deal with North Korea, officials in the Israeli government are calling for mass starvation to be imposed on Iran as a way of forcing regime change and abandonment of the nation’s civilian nuclear program.

“Suffocating sanctions could lead to a grave economic situation in Iran and to a shortage of food,” one of the officials claimed. Though thanks to inflation the price of food is rising and causing hardships for average Iranians, it isn’t clear how officials propose to force a famine on the nation.

Unlike North Korea, with its backwards, state-run agricultural industry, Iran is actually a net food exporter, and while more sanctions could make the industry less efficient and perhaps curb exports, it would not make the food Iran does grow disappear into thin air.

The comments suggest that Israel is growing impatient with the ongoing sanctions against Iran, and is looking for something that will be a “game changer” that finally forces regime change or at least spawns an international objection that can be used as an excuse for a unilateral attack. The idea that a suddenly starving populace is going to overthrow its government on behalf of those that are starving them, however, seems to fly in the face of the history of sanctions.

Jason Ditz is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Jason Ditz

Israeli officials: Starve Iranians to stop nukes

West should adopt North Korean model vis-à-vis Tehran, hunger in Iran could prompt regime to ‘consider whether nuclear adventure is worthwhile’, Jerusalem official says

Attila Somfalvi Published: 02.29.12, 20:18 / Israel News

Iran’s citizens should be starved in order to curb Tehran’s nuclear program, officials in Jerusalem said Wednesday ahead of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s upcoming trip to Washington.

“North Korea is halting its nuclear program in order to receive aid in food, and this is what should be done with Iran as well,” one unnamed official said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196885,00.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29568

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UK Begins to Starve \ Austerity Things To Come – NWO

by xOwneDTBHx on 27 Mar 2011

Increasing Taxes, Food Prices And Cost Of Living Shooting Up Bringing More And More People Into Poverty All By Design To Bring In The New World Order.

Article – http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/235599/UK-BEGINS-TO-STARVE

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SHOCKING VIDEO: Libyan Regime Cages, Abuses Black Africans

SHOCKING VIDEO: Libyan Regime Cages, Abuses Black Africans
Libyan rebels cage black Africans in zoo, force feed them flags

A shocking video has appeared on the Internet showing Libyan rebels torturing a group of black Africans. People with their hands bound are shown being locked in a zoo-like cage and allegedly forced to eat the old Libyan flag.

“Eat the flag, you dog. Patience you dog, patience. God is Great,” screams a voice off-camera in the video uploaded to YouTube last week, which also made its way onto LiveLeak.com.

The torturers are also shown making the group of captive black Africans stand up with pieces of green cloth still in their mouths and apparently forcing them start jumping.

A number of people are shown standing outside the cage watching the atrocity.

After Muammar Gaddafi was killed, hundreds of migrant workers from neighboring states were imprisoned by fighters allied to the new interim authorities.

They accuse the black Africans of having been mercenaries for the late ruler.

In the course of the fighting to topple Gaddafi last year, sub-Saharan African migrants and refugees “became targets of stigma, discrimination and violence,” the human rights group Amnesty International said last month.

“At the beginning of the crisis, there was vastly exaggerated propaganda for which the highest level of the National Transitional Council should take some responsibility because they largely contributed to that unfounded propaganda,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty’s senior crisis response advisor.

Some of the black migrants managed to flee into neighboring Mali and Niger, but more than 5,000 were detained. They face mass execution, beatings, and revenge killings, according to an Al Jazeera report published back in September.

Before the Libyan uprising broke out, the country hosted about a million black African workers, many of them employed in domestic work, construction, trash collection and other low-wage jobs.

Human Rights Investigations (HRI) suspect Libyan rebels of ethnic cleansing of the black population of the country, particularly in the city of Tawergha.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29583

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Revolt Injection: ‘Cash, arms & jihadists fuel Syria war’

RussiaToday on 2 Mar 2012

Syrian government forces have regained control of the Baba Amr district in Homs – which has been the main centre of armed resistance for almost a month. Washington says it’ll keep up efforts to convince Russia and China to put pressure on President Assad and impose tougher sanctions against the Syrian regime. James Corbett – editor of the Japan-based independent news website the Corbett Report, says it’s not developments within Syria, but international politics, that will shape the country’s future.

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BRITISH TV CENSORSHIP!

Extremely graphic footage Libyan children killed by NATO bombs

HOW FAR MANKIND HAS DEVELOPED….

It truly amuses me how very soft man kind has become. There will always be casualties in war. Get over it.

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Now Global Warming Turns Seas to Acid – World Bank Is Ready to Step In

Now Global Warming Turns Seas to Acid – World Bank Is Ready to Step In

Friday, March 02, 2012 – by Staff Report

Oceans Acidifying Fastest in 300 Million Years … Oceans absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, changing their pH and endangering marine life … The Earth’s oceans may be acidifying faster than at any point during the last 300 million years due to industrial emissions, endangering marine life from oysters and reefs to sea- going salmon, researchers said. The scientists found surging levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere forced down the pH of the ocean by 0.1 unit in the last century, 10 times faster than the closest historical comparison from 56 million years ago, New York’s Columbia University, which led the research, said yesterday in a statement. The seas absorb CO2 from the atmosphere, forming carbonic acid. The lower the pH level in the seas, the more acidic they are. – Bloomberg

Dominant Social Theme: The disasters emanating from global warming never end. It is the single worst thing that human beings have done. What a bunch of monkeys we are! Now government will definitely have to step in and make things to right. Say, hasn’t the World Bank made a play to take over the oceans recently?

Free-Market Analysis: Sometimes elite dominant social themes are very easy to spot. A plus B equals C. It seems like only yesterday (actually about a week ago) that the World Bank announced it wanted to take over the world’s oceans.

And now, here comes Bloomberg with a scientific study that buttresses the contention of World Bank honchos that the oceans need saving and only a global effort can combat the challenge properly.

We’re the only publication (that we know of) exclusively dedicated to covering the memes of the Anglosphere power elite – the Jewish, Catholic/Vatican, religious, corporate and military elites that are trying to create one-world government.

As we try to point out regularly, these dominant social themes are intended to frighten Western middle classes into giving up power and wealth to globalist solutions. This just-released elite-theme is a PERFECT (textbook) example of how process works – at least theoretically anyway.

Of course, we can’t PROVE this is How the World Works under the domination of psychopathic elites, but we certainly can detect patterns with almost ritualistic consistency.

Additionally, we believe such facilities as Tavistock (and many think tanks besides) were set up to perpetuate these promotions. That’s part of the way the “open conspiracy” works.

In this case, we have at least a trifecta of promotional participants involved in what is evidently and obviously an attempt to further consolidate world power under a body (the World Bank) directly managed by the conspiracy.

In this case, the World Bank itself struck first, announcing that the “challenges” of oceanic pollution demanded no less than a global effort. Here’s an extract from an article on the World Bank announcement that was posted at Yahoo this past Friday.

The World Bank on Friday said the world’s oceans were at risk and called for a coalition of governments, NGOs and other groups to protect them, aiming to raise $1.5 billion in five years. “The world’s oceans are in danger,” from over-fishing, marine degradation and loss of habitat, World Bank president Robert Zoellick said. “Send out the S-O-S: We need to Save Our Seas.”

About 85 percent of ocean fisheries are fully exploited, over-exploited or depleted, including most of the stocks of the top 10 species, he told the World Oceans Summit in Singapore. “The facts don’t lie and the statistics are we are not doing enough, we are not accomplishing enough and the oceans continue to get sick and die,” he said.

Zoellick said there were already “considerable resources devoted” to restoring the planet’s oceans, but a huge, coordinated global effort was needed. He proposed several targets for the Global Partnership for Oceans to achieve in the next 10 years, including rebuilding at least half of the world’s fish stocks.

Etc. Etc. … OK, the “hook” has been laid – in reverse order this time. Usually the PROBLEM precedes the solution, but in this case global warming is such a ubiquitous (though questionable) elite meme that those organizing these promotions are apparently more casual about them at this point.

We called this promotion a “trifecta” because we can see the next two facilities at work. First comes the “scientific study” – no doubt bought and paid for by the elites that control both the Western university system, apparently, and the scholarly journals that are attached to it – and then comes the announcement in Bloomberg.

Bloomberg, like any other mainstream media effort, is surely beholden to the elites that tolerate it and even encourage some of its manifestations. The Bloomberg article (see excerpt above) goes on about “ocean acidification” and does its best to link this horrible prospect with the disappearance of those foods that most people like to look at and eat:

Past instances of ocean acidification have been linked with mass extinctions of marine creatures so the current one could also threaten important species, according to Baerbel Hoenisch, the paleoceanographer at Columbia who was lead author of the paper that appeared in the journal Science. “If industrial carbon emissions continue at the current pace, we may lose organisms we care about — coral reefs, oysters, salmon,” Hoenisch said.

Amazingly, this article seems to parallel other doomsday proclamations we analyzed recently that ALSO appeared in the journal Science. These other articles even used a similar geological timeframe! You can see the article in question here: “The Mayan ‘Decline’ and Small Horses … More Climate Change Propaganda?” And here’s the citation in THIS article:

The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has said ocean pH may fall another 0.3 units this century, according to Columbia. The closest change to the current pace occurred during the so-called Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum about 56 million years ago, when a doubling of the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide may have pushed pH levels down by 0.45 units over 20,000 years, according to the researchers. Then, fossil records indicate as many as half of all species of seabed-dwelling single-celled creatures called benthic foraminifers went extinct, suggesting species higher up the food chain may also have died out, they said.

Fifty-six million years! The same time frame quoted in the previous article we analyzed on how global warming was going to turn people into hobbits. And in the same journal as well. Those editors at Science are surely busy bees.

Of course, pattern-spotting is addictive. And a similar timeframe utilized in disparate studies in no doubt coincidence, having to do with the timeline of various epochs. But within a larger context, this type of stuff … what we’re presenting here … fits right in with what we’ve been analyzing for the past few years (ten years, actually).

What’s interesting is the almost perfunctory way these days that they’re placing these promotions (if that’s what’s they’re doing). The World Bank announces its intention to rule the waves and six days later Bloomberg is posting an article from another “scientific” journal explaining the latest oceanic crisis. One, two, three … boom!

The Bloomberg article, by the way, doesn’t mention the World Bank per se. Instead, it cites the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which a few years ago confessed its “scientific” contributions had been gathered by rewriting alarmist newspaper articles and passing them off as research.

The way all this is being handled these days only feeds our conviction that the powers-that-be are not trying so hard to hide their actions anymore. They’ve moved onto the next tool in their increasingly barren bag, which is “intimidation.” They don’t mind (or perhaps they’re resigned to the idea) that people “get it,” when it comes to these promotions.

But we’re not so sure that it’s possible to intimidate billions of people into accepting world government. That seems like a big task. In the meantime, we’ll keep observing these sorts of patterns, which we have speculated are less and less effective thanks to the Internet.

Conclusion: The more things change …

Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 03/02/12 06:19 PM

All measurements cited in these studies so far are surface measurements. Local variations in ph can have many causes, and in most cases are likely temporary. Additionally these data are even more subject to massaging than terrestrial temperature data are. Almost anyone can afford their own thermometer, almost no one looks out their window at their ph meter in the middle of the ocean.

Efforts at measuring deep ocean ph thus far are few, and to be very kind, ineffective. Even without ph measurements, calulation of the amount of CO2 necessary to significantly alter the ph of the entire mass of the oceans shows that we could not even do it intentionally. Burning of all of the fossile fuel that we have found thus far would not do it.

Contrations of CO2 in the atmosphere are stated in ppm, that is parts per million, and the mass of the oceans is around 250 times the mass of the atmosphere. Additionally the acidification effect of adding CO2 is quite weak, if it were not we could not drink sodas with many times the CO2 concentration of the ocean.

Coral reefs and organisms whose shells are based on calciumcarbonate have been around for far longer than 56 million years, the period cited for high concentrations of CO2, ocean acidity, and mass extinction. How did they survive?

The only thing these studies show is how easily millions are duped.

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Posted by Umbriago on 03/02/12 05:30 PM

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For over 15 years. Mike Rivero has grown WRH into one of the most
respected independent news sites on the web.

The paragraph below is the last statement in a well researched article at the above website. Although I agree with your position this has been a hard nut to crack and continues to be so.

Attention has been called to the fact that the original PDF of this certificate shows different components of the image in different layers, and that this is claimed to be evidence of forgery.

Setting aside the obvious question of why a forger would not collapse the image down to a single plane in the first place, the reality is that when a scanned bitmap image is brought into Adobe Illustrator, it is “vectorized” and the different vector elements assigned into separate layers by the Software.

This is the normal mode of operation by Illustrator when dealing with scanned images and is not evidence of nefarious activity in and of itself.

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The point of the recently released videos was to explain clearly that a scanned document has ONE LAYER AND ONE LINK. The “posse” seems to prove this. Then they open the Obama document and it has NINE LAYERS.

Was it sloppiness or was it intentional?

What are the other options?

Posted by piolenc on 03/02/12 04:51 PM

I told you so. I spotted this theme a few years back, and after Climategate I predicted that this would be the next scare theme, and started collected evidence to refute it. The simple fact is that acidification of the oceans is not taking place – because it can’t. The oceans and their seabeds are an enormous buffer system that prevents any significant change in pH and salinity, though local peaks and troughs are possible. In eons past the oceans have held much more carbon dioxide than they do now, and in others much less; neither circumstance led to disaster then, and it won’t now. The only disaster that IS in the making is world government, inescapable and beyond appeal, and it is that which must be fought.

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Posted by seer on 03/02/12 04:11 PM

I do not believe for one nanosecond that the DB is omniscient, infallible or the be all to end all. The debate over global warming is the result of conflicting information. No One knows for sure if the current climate situation is caused by human actions or a natural occurrence or whether it is short term, long term or an actual polar shift event. We do have evidence that massive changes have occurred before and very quickly: mammoths found frozen with undigested food stuffs in their stomachs. I believe the matter of unpolluted air and water to be of utmost priority to the people of this planet irregardless the climate debate. Unfortunately as usual even this will be exploited by the Huge Multi-National corporations.

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Ha, it was climate change?

Perhaps a “fast freeze?”

But not a comet? …

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“Researchers studying a dark layer of dirt at 10 sites around North America say they have found evidence that an asteroid or a comet may have killed the woolly mammoths, giant sloths, camels and other huge creatures that once roamed the continent …

“They found high concentrations of iridium, nanodiamonds, soot, charcoal and other chemicals and compounds that suggested a celestial body had crashed into the Earth and started raging, massive wildfires.”

Posted by Swemson on 03/02/12 04:07 PM

When the climate alarmists can’t sell global warming, they fall back on ocean acidification, and it’s just as big of a lie.

When the earth warms, naturally (It’s the Sun Stupid!) the solubility of CO2 in water diminishes and the oceans release CO2 into the atmosphere. When the earth is cooling, as it is now, the reverse is true, and the oceans absorb CO2. This is a completely natural cycle, and CO2, which is NOT a pollutant, is no more dangerous to the oceans than it is to the atmosphere.

If the alarmists want to play games with policy based on the idea that CO2 is a pollutant, they should be forced to prove that it is in a court of law. It’s not and they can’t, and they know it.

There are some totally legitimate and current environmental issues that need to be dealt with, such as the horrendous pollution of the the Ecuadorian Rain Forest by Texaco / Chevron, that’s killing the natives who live there, and General Electric’s poisoning of the upper Hudson River Valley in NY with PCB’s from its factories there, but overall, our planet is actually in pretty good shape. Our air quality has improved dramatically since most industrial pollution has been eliminated with technology, however it’s still a problem in places like China and the 3rd world countries that are just beginning to industrialize.

We should devote our attention to the legitimate environmental issues that we CAN do something about, and stop wasting time and resources in fruitless efforts to control our climate. It can’t be done. Our climate is controlled primarily by the sun, and even the most arrogant of the cultural and governmental elites can’t control the sun, even if they think they can.

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Posted by Abu Aardvark on 03/02/12 02:13 PM

DB: “Say, hasn’t the World Bank made a play to take over the oceans recently?”

Ha, I would love to see that one. Any idea where and when it will be premiered?

(-;

DB: “This just-released elite-theme is a PERFECT (textbook) example of how (the?) process works”

Pretty good article, though …

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Posted by asparagui on 03/02/12 02:11 PM

… plus c’est la même chose.

I’m voting for ron, even if I have to write it in. CHANGE we can BELIEVE IN!

http://thedailybell.com/3666/Now-Global-Warming-Turns-Seas-to-Acid-and-the-World-Bank-Ready-Step-In

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It was university communist anarchists who wanted to destroy all “capitalist” countries by making them cut production that, they claimed, caused the atmosphere to heat up. It is being continued now by left wing politicians, especially those posing as “Greens”, who also want to destroy the way of life we now enjoy.
The ever changing climate of the planet is caused by:-
The interaction of orbit, (changes in which are caused by the gravitational pull of the other planets), with tectonic movements, affected by those gravitational changes. This changes the amount of heat released into the oceans by the thousands of under sea vents, or volcano’s, which cause the El Nino and La Nina weather patterns.

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Clues Left in Obama ‘Birth Forgery’ on Purpose?

Clues Left in Obama ‘Birth Forgery’ on Purpose?

Friday, March 02, 2012 – by Staff Report

An investigative “Cold Case Posse” launched six months ago by “America’s toughest sheriff” – Joe Arpaio of Arizona’s Maricopa County – has concluded there is probable cause that the document released by the White House last year as President Obama’s birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery. The posse says it has identified at least one person of interest in the alleged forgery of Obama’s birth certificate. – ABC News

Dominant Social Theme: It was a great cover-up, but now it’s been found out. Obama is not what he seems to be. So what are you gonna do about it?

Free-Market Analysis: While we have always believed that President Barack Obama was controlled by the larger forces of the Anglosphere elite, the apparent forgery of his birth certificate raises even more questions.

Is it possible that Obama, one of the most powerful men on the planet, released an apparently hideously flawed document on purpose? The alternative is to believe that he put out an electronic document with NINE LAYERS that clearly seems to show evidence of tampering.

All the man and his (hypothetical) handlers had to do was print out the document and run it through a scanner (thus re-condensing the layers). Heck, they probably could just have re-saved the document as a jpeg, pdf, etc.

It seems crazy, doesn’t it? Anyone who has the patience to sit through yesterday’s Cold Case Posse presentation (see article excerpt above) should come away astonished by two salient facts:

One, the US President is apparently occupying his position illegally (so it seems); and two, the release of the “long form” and its clumsy manipulations must be comparable to the Watergate cover-up in terms of its ineptness. This is not too strong a statement, in our humble estimation.

There are tens of millions in the US who work with Photoshop or Illustrator regularly or irregularly. Ask almost any of these individuals if they would release a document with nine separate layers showing evidence of tampering (when trying to establish the authenticity of a document) and listen to their responses.

We can’t say for sure but we’d be surprised if more than a handful would indicate that they’d follow the path Obama (or those around him) took … providing what seems to be a kind of documentary proof that Sheriff Joe Arpaio has now seized upon (though it took his “cold case posse” six months).

With all the resources at his disposal, Obama still evidently managed to release an easily exposed cover-up. This despite plenty of apocryphal evidence that Obama is a direct product – or outcome – of US Intel, with its literally millions of spooks, “spook support” and high-tech gadgetry.

We do believe that Obama is “handled.” What else CAN we believe? He won’t let any of his records be examined, going back all the way to kindergarten. And his activities are in line with what the elites want to accomplish – one-world government.

The elites apparently are creating a formal world government in the modern era via global depression and war. We don’t believe the US economy is improving and we don’t believe the EU “crisis” is over.

Nikolas Sarkozy was just chased into a French pub in Basque country and had to hide out there for several hours while the crowd raged outside. The mood in Europe is foul. In the US and Britain it’s just as bad. China isn’t so happy, either.

And yet … this is exactly what can be expected given the policies that are in place. There is no doubt the current economic environment is a “controlled” outcome. Central banks are not flora or fauna; they are not “potted plants.” They do not occur naturally.

Monopoly fiat money is a ruinous phenomenon. Those who have built and implemented some 150 central banks around the world understand full well what they do and what the ramifications are.

It is the Internet itself – through what we call the Internet Reformation – that has challenged the plans of the powers-that-be. Like the Gutenberg Press before it, it has exposed the larger strategy of the elites of the day.

We’re not sure if there was a larger, cohesive conspiracy 700 years ago, but there sure seems to be one now. An entire globalist system is now in place including NATO, the UN, the World Criminal Court, the IMF, the World Bank (which wants to take over jurisdiction for the oceans) and the World Health Organization.

The elites have moved their plans forward via dominant social themes – fear-based promotions – that frighten Western middle classes into giving up power and wealth to globalist facilities. But in the Internet era, these promotions are working a good deal less effectively.

It is to the benefit of the elites to continually sow doubt and confusion within the mind of the larger public when it comes to any kind of modern facility, either governmental or technological. We believe the power elite through its controlled Intel operations is pouring resources into undermining the alternative ‘Net media.

The idea is to create a narrative of confusion, one in which the outlines of the REAL story are gradually blurred and no one knows whom to trust or what the outlines of objective truth (yes, there is such a thing within the purview of our experiences) might look like.

But we also believe the historic release of this questionable Obama long-form gives us another tactic to ponder. As the Internet Reformation has had a continual impact on the plans of the elites they have grown far more brutal and obvious. As someone recently wrote, “the gloves are off.”

Thus, we figure the clumsiness of this long-form forgery (if that is what it is) is perhaps predictable, and even PURPOSEFUL. The idea might be that those who are “running the show” want to provide us with irredeemable proof that they can basically do whatever they want.

They’re SHOWING us that they’re in charge; that they can put a man in office who has no business being there and is actively trying to destroy what is left of the US Republic. Yes … it could be argued this is part of a larger methodology of intimidation.

There may be even more to it, by the way. We’re not necessarily big fans of either “Sheriff Joe” – an authoritarian bully, in our view – or the hyper-conservative/hyper-theological World Net Daily (though its editors and writers certainly break courageous stories now and again).

But we can’t help noticing this entire incident has ended up pitting these two elements against an even more objectionable opponent (from a freedom standpoint) in the Obama administration. Once again, we’re being presented with a conservative/liberal dialectic. The world is being framed in illogical, but compelling, ways.

We find it really difficult to believe that with all the resources available to him, Obama (knowingly or not) released this apparently clumsy forgery. One can, of course, make an argument that it was created so badly because only a very few people were involved. But we also think there could be more to it.

Alternatively, the idea is simply to sow confusion and dissent. Obama may be reelected, but the result will be an even more polarized society as many will have good reason to believe the president is not legally viable. This would certainly provide increased fodder for social disruption and a subsequent crackdown.

One grants, with this latter argument, that Obama is in a sense the ultimate disposable man. But we are not surprised that logic leads to this latter conclusion. In our view, many of those who work directly for the great central banking families are continually surprised that they can be world leaders one day and scapegoats the next. But that’s how these people seem to work.

Conclusion: You make your deal. Don’t be surprised by the consequences. Obama may be in for a rough ride. And his “fellow citizens” as well ….

Editor’s Note: Feedbacker Marty, in the thread below, offers several scenarios including one along the lines that we mentioned, but also this thought-provoking one: “The forgery is intentionally of low quality, so that it will be found out. It will be shown that the original was lost, or destroyed inadvertently, by an incompetent clerk (probably one of a male Caucasian republican persuasion), and that he created the document to cover up his own incompetence. Thus the discoverer of the fraud, can be ridiculed in the eyes of the public, for being correct, and a nobody (a now wealthy nobody) can be scapegoated.” In fact, “Sheriff Joe” indicated at the press conference that his office already had identified a “person of interest.” And it’s true that the Sheriff made a point several times that the forgery was not necessarily coordinated from the top down. In other words, President Barack Obama may have had nothing to do with it. Or, so, according to Marty, the scenario could play out …

Posted by Agent Pete 8 on 03/03/12 04:35 AM

ID Card meme sneaks within all this, but hey, you are all nearly in Full Agreement, which is most of the juice required to solve the problem.

Yes a solution is in, furred.

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Posted by WD on 03/03/12 03:17 AM

Looks like an indication that the Obamanation is so running scared of its performance (it should be) it wants to conduct the campaign on any other issues. It’s a typical politician and lawyer trick. Never argue a case on bases you know you will lose on.

Unless the actual and valid reason the ‘natural born’ restriction is first understood by the public (it apparentley isn’t), it is a losing issue with the public. It is a fools errand to join the media in defining the criteria of popular issues.

Our problem is the Republican Party has been co opted by the neo cons who are big government fascists in the service of the one world banksters. Let’s force the conversation into that before we elect another puppet of the forces who are shredding the Constitution right before our eyes.

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Posted by obiwan1947 on 03/03/12 01:28 AM

If the Obamanation is found out as a fraud, the military will have to find him guilty of “Treason Against the Office of the Commander in Chief.” The military will hold him and all others it deems conspirators; that is, who, in their opinion, had to know of the lies he was covering. The Supreme Court Justices Obama appointed must be removed by the military, and no longer allowed to participate in rulings.

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Posted by obiwan1947 on 03/03/12 01:24 AM

A top military General has to convene an order to deal with the VP until this is sorted out by a committee of Conservs and Dems. Just as if the Pres was undergoing surgery. The committee (Cong West and Bachman ? for the good guys?) look over the shoulders of the CIA, etc. on his Hospital Birth paperwork and ALL SCHOOL paperwork, leaving no stone unturned. Since such a general ordering this would be fired by Obama, he wud have to have his ducks in a row along with every able-bodied 2nd amendment believer in the USA converging on Washington to back him up. Tell Biden if he doesnt cooperate, and Obama is found to be a fraud, then Biden will be found guilty of conspiracy to commit treason against the Office of the Presidency. If, however, Biden cooperates, and Obama has serious feet-of-clay documentation-wise; guess who’se the next top dog?
Now, Biden is certifiable, and he can never win reelection. This is our chance.

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Posted by Seen on 03/03/12 01:23 AM

“(1) The POTUS is so incredibly arrogant, that he just does not care if it obvious, that he is a forger, and a liar. After all, how long has the world trade center hoax held up, when anyone with a decent engineering education can tell it is a fraud, just from watching the video. He may have had his kids generate this document as crooked practice. It has about that level of skill.”

Well, if this was intended or unintended through arrogance, chances are the response becomes impeachment in which Joe Biden becomes President. Does it not? Similarly, W. Bush wasn’t impeached by the Democrats; due to, Cheney becoming President. I seem to recall the Democrats possessing a majority in at least a house of Congress. You know; Obama’s verbal statement before signing NDAA 2012.

“(2) The forgery is intentionally of low quality, so that it will be found out. It will be shown that the original was lost, or destroyed inadvertently, by an incompetent clerk (probably one of a male Caucasian republican persuasion), and that he created the document to cover up his own incompetence. Thus the discoverer of the fraud, can be ridiculed in the eyes of the public, for being correct, and a nobody(a now wealthy nobody) can be scapegoated.”

… Biden already considers TEA Party potential terrorists, and OWS, with the aid of Leo Gerard, Jimmy Hoffa JR, and other labor side of the private-public partnership, are becoming more ‘militant’. Soros also discussed with some glee how violence in the US streets would provoke a governmental clamp down, which was followed by OWS clamp down corridination, NDAA 2012, (if you research what Infowars presents) FEMA is looking for subcontractors to be up and ready within 72 or less hours, the Black Caucus months ago to some extend view Obama critics to be racists, Obama has dually formed and advocated African-Americans to put on their marching shoes and African-Americans for Obama. This looks more like guilt tripping anyone who doubted Obama’s legitimacy of eligibility in addition to cementing division among the populace under racial grounds that backtracking to Soros would create violence in the streets and justification of a governmental clamp down likely State of Emergency, Martial Law, and activiation of DHS Directive 20. In essence, fail-safe initiative aka COG is then initiated to attempt sustaining the status quo through physical force in lieu to deteriorating willful and voluntary support.

DB: You’ve mentioned/referenced how the Internet has in effect highlighted the con game underlined in the memes, and martial law would be in essence the fail-safe protocol for the elites to sustain power. If Soros is right, scenario 2 would be the ideal way to go not only divide and conquer but also create a powder keg to create a 9/11 style event (also previously discussed by mainstream pundits) to justify initiating the status quo’s fail-safe initiatives. In either of Marty’s scenarios, there is a powder keg that can be essentially set to self-destruct. There’s more ground work underlined in scenario 2 than scenario 1.

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Posted by shardannay on 03/03/12 12:01 AM

Posted by Ol’ Grey Ghost on 03/02/12 09:57 PM
Those who believe Obama is a fraud will continue to believe that regardless of the outcome…

Those who believe that he is legit, or don’t really care, will continue to believe that regardless of the outcome…

Both sides will argue with each other and assign their opponents with the worst of labels (possibly something along racial lines)…

Everyone amongst the people will be distracted by the infighting and no one will be watching what the magician is doing next on the stage…

Then it comes…

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Then the government continues boiling frogs…

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My experience with boxing and full-contact Karate matches is that after a knocked-out competitor comes to and its explained to him what happened (“he caught you with a left hook”) he always says, “I didn’t see it coming.” I think everyone afterward might just have the same response…

I believe that everything you’ve said will happen will happen but I still think we need to stand for the Constitution here & give it our very best shot. If we let go of this issue, we will be letting go of yet another one of the principles upon which this nation was founded. We’ll be giving up yet another piece of our Constitution. When it has been completely destroyed, America will have been destroyed.

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Posted by shardannay on 03/02/12 11:44 PM

Posted by AFC999 on 03/02/12 10:48 PM
Agree… his birth status (aside from all the illegal / criminal [?CIA ?ESF ?too many agencies and agents to mention] action that seems almost certain to have surrounded his coming to power as the POTUS) is the Monica Lewinsky lying to congress impeachment distraction that kept the public and investigators from looking deeper into Clinton’s sale of our most secret military satellite defense systems to Chinese interests for campaign contributions, and worse, the virtual completion of the takeover of our financial system by the banksters during his regime.

Diversion from what? All the other ways in which our Constitution is continually being shredded & our Republic dismantled? Granted, those other ways seem to affect us on a more personal level but we should not dismiss this issue because of that. In fact, the point of this whole dog & pony show may be to make itself so unimportant among the other issues that we just let it go. But, if we do that, we’ll be setting an important precedent. We’ll be opening the door to the oval office for future presidents whose loyalties lie elsewhere & that will have become acceptable to us. Ex: While the Bush’s are globalists, they did want America to play the leading role in that global government they envision. Obama not only hates America, our presidency is just a stepping stone to even greater power for himself, not America. He already holds a position on the UN Security Council. That’s treason, but we’re so overwhelmed trying to navigate this nightmare, this mine field, this police state insane asylum in which we now find ourselves that even such an outrageous act on his part was described by a friend of mine recently as, “very annoying.” Annoying!? It’s a capital offense. People have been tried, convicted & executed here for less! But that was all the energy she had left for it. And, I must admit, it’s even tempting ME to rank it down toward the bottom of the list of his treasonous, felonious crimes. No. Diversion or not, I think we need to fight this battle.

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Posted by AFC999 on 03/02/12 10:48 PM

Posted by gcdugas on 03/02/12 09:19 PM
This is all ONE BIG DISTRACTION. Who cares if the commie was born in Moscow or the heart of Kansas? We must stay on message and deal with our enemies on the ideological level.

This is the strength of the Pauilan R3VOLution. As Lew Rockwell points out, we have never seen such a candidate who has his followers reading many books like this before. Dr. Paul is about changing hearts and minds. That is where the victory will come from.

That is why the Internet Reformation is a threat. It is the power of truth that sets us free. Don’t waste one minute on this birther mess. Barrack is objectionable because of what he does and what he believes, not where he is from. That his message (class warfare, redistribution, egalitarian leveling, feminism etc) resonates win the hearts of so many is the problem.

Agree… his birth status (aside from all the illegal / criminal [?CIA ?ESF ?too many agencies and agents to mention] action that seems almost certain to have surrounded his coming to power as the POTUS) is the Monica Lewinsky lying to congress impeachment distraction that kept the public and investigators from looking deeper into Clinton’s sale of our most secret military satellite defense systems to Chinese interests for campaign contributions, and worse, the virtual completion of the takeover of our financial system by the banksters during his regime.

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Posted by Danny B on 03/02/12 10:22 PM

“It was -indeed -AA itself that was the source of the Wiki change that now said that Flight 11 was not even scheduled to fly on 911, had been mothballed for some 6 months”

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This is an example of the sloppiness of 9/11 planning. It’s possible that there was equal sloppiness in the birth certificate preparation.

It really doesn’t seem to matter. Black’s Law is very clear that “natural born” demands that both parents be native born. With the absolute control of MSM, there isn’t much danger of a problem.

Sheriff Joe is a danger to drug transport and must be vilified. Pretty straightforward.

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Posted by Ol’ Grey Ghost on 03/02/12 09:57 PM

Those who believe Obama is a fraud will continue to believe that regardless of the outcome…

Those who believe that he is legit, or don’t really care, will continue to believe that regardless of the outcome…

Both sides will argue with each other and assign their opponents with the worst of labels (possibly something along racial lines)…

Everyone amongst the people will be distracted by the infighting and no one will be watching what the magician is doing next on the stage…

Then it comes…

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Then the government continues boiling frogs…

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My experience with boxing and full-contact Karate matches is that after a knocked-out competitor comes to and its explained to him what happened (“he caught you with a left hook”) he always says, “I didn’t see it coming.” I think everyone afterward might just have the same response…

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Posted by gcdugas on 03/02/12 09:19 PM

This is all ONE BIG DISTRACTION. Who cares if the commie was born in Moscow or the heart of Kansas? We must stay on message and deal with our enemies on the ideological level.

This is the strength of the Pauilan R3VOLution. As Lew Rockwell points out, we have never seen such a candidate who has his followers reading many books like this before. Dr. Paul is about changing hearts and minds. That is where the victory will come from.

That is why the Internet Reformation is a threat. It is the power of truth that sets us free. Don’t waste one minute on this birther mess. Barrack is objectionable because of what he does and what he believes, not where he is from. That his message (class warfare, redistribution, egalitarian leveling, feminism etc) resonates win the hearts of so many is the problem.

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Posted by sedonaal on 03/02/12 09:01 PM

I have lived in N AZ for over 21 years. The Sheriff has been running his mouth on many different subjects. I am convinced that he would be better off by joining the ranks of the retired! I saw part of his press appearance & he couches his words like a true politician–“no, it may not have been Obama that came up with this plan.” He may be innocent.

He may not have known about this (possible) forgery.” “I was asked by some 250 Maricopa residents to ask for this to be looked at.” Obviously he lacks the ability to say “no” to such requests. I have heard & read that the sheriff enlisted several of his volunteers to do the analysis. That means that it did not cost that county or AZ anything. I think that the sheriff saw an opportunity to get the attention of the public OFF the investigation regarding HIS deputy sheriffs. Our Pres has been in office for 3 years. Why, oh why is this happening now?

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Posted by OmegaMan on 03/02/12 08:27 PM

Why are there so many people that have a Procrustean Operation mind set in the USA?

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Posted by don0917 on 03/02/12 08:02 PM

Posted by budwood on 03/02/12 06:52 PM
Have we ever wondered why the the “natural born citizen” was placed in the constitution? Why indeed?

It would seem that natural born citizens are wanted because such persons appreciate the predominate culture of the nation. There was a valid society prior to the organization of the USA – – something like going on a couple of hundred years. The point is that appreciation of the culture of the nation would in all probability insulate the federal government from follow paths based upon foreign ideologies and anti-liberty ideas.

But what do we have here? We have elevated a person who was raised in muslim schools to rule over our government. He is evidently emotionally unprepared to accept the prevailing culture. That’s probably the changes, revisions and other modifications that boob voters really didn’t anticipate nor want.

excellent.

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Posted by don0917 on 03/02/12 07:55 PM

we’ve got him on the run and, like you say, he is expendable to the elites. Romney may be the new “anointed one.” how can people be so stupid?

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Posted by OmegaMan on 03/02/12 07:52 PM

I for one do not care. Technology advances, mankind does not. The Earth is still flat and where was the man when he jumped off the bridge?

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Posted by msbetz on 03/02/12 07:14 PM

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Larouche: How to stop Obama and the looming WWIII.

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Posted by RF on 03/02/12 07:05 PM

Posted by budwood on 03/02/12 06:52 PM
Have we ever wondered why the the “natural born citizen” was placed in the constitution? Why indeed?

It would seem that natural born citizens are wanted because such persons appreciate the predominate culture of the nation. There was a valid society prior to the organization of the USA – – something like going on a couple of hundred years. The point is that appreciation of the culture of the nation would in all probability insulate the federal government from follow paths based upon foreign ideologies and anti-liberty ideas.

But what do we have here? We have elevated a person who was raised in muslim schools to rule over our government. He is evidently emotionally unprepared to accept the prevailing culture. That’s probably the changes, revisions and other modifications that boob voters really didn’t anticipate nor want.

would they have let a Native American ( Mohawk, Delaware, Shawnee, Iroquois Cherokee they were able people in politics), ,run and win the Presidency7?? they were the true “natural born citizens” of this country at the time of the Constitution’s writing… At the turn of the 18th century perhaps only a third of the population could qualify , they were mostly young .

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Posted by RF on 03/02/12 06:56 PM

the more everyone harps on the “forged birth certificate”, the harder his voters dig thier heels in… more likely than major conspiracy- the early 70’s when he was born were easier less technological days, getting him welfare and bills paid by the state required him to be born here- were he not president would anyone care?? There is still the 50% of the country that voted him in ( not I )according to your newsletter most of what we see is a sham proported by some anglo wealthy, banking conspiracy why should the Obama birth certificate be any different??

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Posted by budwood on 03/02/12 06:52 PM

Have we ever wondered why the the “natural born citizen” was placed in the constitution? Why indeed?

It would seem that natural born citizens are wanted because such persons appreciate the predominate culture of the nation. There was a valid society prior to the organization of the USA – – something like going on a couple of hundred years. The point is that appreciation of the culture of the nation would in all probability insulate the federal government from follow paths based upon foreign ideologies and anti-liberty ideas.

But what do we have here? We have elevated a person who was raised in muslim schools to rule over our government. He is evidently emotionally unprepared to accept the prevailing culture. That’s probably the changes, revisions and other modifications that boob voters really didn’t anticipate nor want.

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9/11 – Painful Deceptions – (Full Length).

9/11 – Painful Deceptions – (Full Length).

Eric Hufschmid wrote the book, “Painful Questions,” which deals with the events of 9-11.
Evidence and facts are carefully examined; photos and video captures are analyzed.

Eric shows us with graphic (literally), undeniable evidence that the official explanations for the atrocities committed on September 11, 2001 are questionable at best.

He shows us that there is MUCH more to 9-11 than we are being told by our media and our government.

Eric Hufschmid raises some very uncomfortable questions about 9-11; questions so uncomfortable that the magician/comedians Penn and Teller showed the book and urged people, “if you ever see anyone carrying it, push them down a flight of stairs.”
Why?
Look to who cuts their pay checks and it might become clearer.
To provoke calls of violence against himself and others by representatives of the “entertainment industry,” Eric must have found something to make some powerful people VERY “uncomfortable” indeed.
If you or I were to attempt to incite violence against fellow citizens we would be arrested as TERRORISTS!

Eric then made the DVD movie, “Painful Deceptions” as a video supplement to his book.

Syria: Clinton Admits US On Same Side As Al Qaeda To Destabilise Assad Government

Syria: Clinton Admits US On Same Side As Al Qaeda To Destabilise Assad Government

by Michel Chossudovsky and Finian Cunningham

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has acknowledged that Al Qaeda and other organizations on the US “terror list” are supporting the Syrian opposition.

Clinton said: “We have a very dangerous set of actors in the region, al-Qaida [sic], Hamas, and those who are on our terrorist list, to be sure, supporting – claiming to support the opposition [in Syria].” [1] (Click here to watch video)

Yet at the same time, in the above BBC interview the US Secretary of State repeats the threadbare Western claim that the situation in Syria is one of a defenceless population coming under “relentless attack” from Syrian government forces.

There is ample evidence that teams of snipers who have been killing civilians over the past year in Syria belong to the terrorist formations to which Clinton is referring to.

As Michel Chossudovsky points out in a recent article: “Since the middle of March 2011, Islamist armed groups – covertly supported by Western and Israeli intelligence – have conducted terrorist attacks directed against government buildings, including acts of arson. Amply documented, trained gunmen and snipers, including mercenaries, have targeted the police, armed forces as well as innocent civilians. There is ample evidence, as outlined in the Arab League Observer Mission report, that these armed groups of mercenaries are responsible for killing civilians. 

While the Syrian government and military bear a heavy burden of responsibility, it is important to underscore the fact that these terrorist acts – including the indiscriminate killing of men, women and children – are part of a US-NATO-Israeli initiative, which consists is supporting, training and financing ‘an armed entity’ operating inside Syria.” [2]

The admission at the weekend by Hillary Clinton corroborates the finding that armed groups are attacking civilians and these groups are terroristic, according to US own definitions, and that the situation in Syria is not one of unilateral state violence against its population but rather is one of a shadowy armed insurrection.

Clinton’s admission retrospectively justifies the stance taken by Russia and China, both of which vetoed the proposed UN Security Council Resolution on 4 February, precisely because that proposal was predicated on a spurious notion that the violence in Syria was solely the responsibility of the Al Assad government.

Clinton also acknowledges in the BBC interview that there is “a very strong opposition to foreign intervention from inside Syria, from outside Syria” – which tacitly concedes the fact that the Syrian population is aware that the so-called oppositionists within their country are Al Qaeda-affiliated mercenaries.

Meanwhile, the US Gulf allies, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, have separately issued statements that they are willing to send arms to Syria to support the insurrection against the Damascus government. Given the still substantial popular support for the government of Bashir Al Assad, such a declaration by Saudi Arabia and Qatar towards a fellow Arab League member state signifies an unprecedented interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Indeed, legal opinion could argue that it constitutes a self-indicting act of international aggression.

Besides, such a declaration by Saudi Arabia and Qatar of being willing to arm Syrian insurrectionists, can be seen as a cynical cover for what is already taking place. It is known that the Gulf monarchical states are already supplying weapons illicitly to the self-styled Syrian Free Army, along with Turkey and Israel.

So far, the US is officially maintaining the fiction that it is not involved in supplying arms to Syria even though Washington has demanded “regime change” and in spite of evidence that Western covert forces, including American, British and French operatives, are actively engaged with the opposition groups.

It is richly ironic that the unelected fundamentalist Sunni regimes of the Persian Gulf are supporting Al Qaeda affiliated groups within Syria purportedly to “bring about democratic reforms”. This is the same dynamic that prevailed in Libya where the overthrow of that country’s government by Western and Gulf Arab powers has now led to a collapse in human rights and social conditions.

Once again, Syria is indicating the same alignment of allies: Washington, London and other NATO powers comfortably in bed with Sunni/Salafist tyrants and terrorists, claiming to be supporting democratic freedom and human rights.

Of course, the real agenda has nothing to do with either democratic freedoms or human rights – as the awry alignment of allies clearly indicates. Rather, this is about Washington and its proxy powers trying to engineer regime change throughout the Arab World and beyond to conform to geopolitical objectives, principally the control of raw energy. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria are but a sequence of stops on a global roadmap of permanent war that also swings through Iran. Russia and China are the terminal targets.

Washington is evidently prepared to use any means necessary to assert this agenda: illegal wars, death on a massive scale, possibly triggering global war and the use of nuclear weapons. But surely the most preposterous mask is the “war on terror”, when it is seen – from the words of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton – that Washington is now openly collaborating with the supposed “terrorist enemy” to bring about regime change in desired countries.

If somehow the weasel words from Washington could be taken at face value, then if it were serious about wanting regime change to facilitate democracy, human rights and world peace, the first regime that pre-eminently qualifies for such change is Washington itself.

Notes

[1] Transcript of Clinton interview on BBC, 26 February, 2012:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1202/S00690/interview-with-kim-ghattas-of-bbc.htm

[2] http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29234

Global Research Articles by Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research Articles by Finian Cunningham

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29524

THERE YOU GO- FRIENDS OF AL-QAEDA…

OBAMA BROUGHT IN WHAT AMOUNTS TO MARTIAL LAW IN AMERIKA- SO QUIT WITH ALL THAT DEMOCRACY BULLSHIT!

What Is Really Going On In Syria ?

What Is Really Going On In Syria ?

Editor’s Note : Two informed analysts from two sources weigh in on a very complicated situation in Syria. Both Webster Tarpley… and Elaine Hagopian’s analysis is accurate… the Syrians are caught between a rock and a hard spot.

And, the tide is ebbing rapidly!

The stakes are high. The entire region is affected.

Elaine Hagopian, is a Sociology professor at Simmons College in Boston and one of this country’s leading Arab-American activists. She got her first taste of politics at age eight in a grocery store in Cambridge, MA owned by her father, an illiterate immigrant from Damascus. “He had an incredible passion for learning,” she says. “Young men from our neighborhood used to hang around the store, reading aloud to him from books on politics and law. My father would digest what he heard and then deliver mini-lectures in the store on any number of subjects including Islamic law, superpower competition, and the Palestinian question.”

Like lots of other working class girls from Cambridge, Hagopian studied to be a secretary, but she had inherited her father’s love of learning and, at age 17, decided to attend Boston University. Her secretarial skills helped pay for some of her college tuition; the rest was covered by scholarships. After graduating in 1954 with a major in sociology, she went on to earn a masters degree in African studies and a doctorate in sociology, both from Boston University.

Assad and the Sectarian Game in Syria / The Real News Network

Elaine Hagopian: Syrians are caught between horrors of Assad and sectarian forces with external support…

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PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Paul Jay in Washington.

On Wednesday in Damascus, President Assad announced he’s going to call a referendum on February 26 for a new constitution for Syria. This follows earlier-in-the-week Arab League meetings that took place in Cairo, led by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. They essentially call for arming the opposition in Syria, and they are going to take a resolution that did not get through the Security Council (because of vetoes of Russia and China) to the General Assembly, calling for some kind of peacekeeping force. So where is all this leading? And what is the opposition in Syria made up of?

Now joining us to help us unpack a very complicated situation is Elaine Hogopian. Elaine is a Syrian-American sociologist. She’s professor emeritus of sociology at Simmons College in Boston. And she joins us from Cambridge, Massachusetts. Thanks for joining us, Elaine.

ELAINE HOGOPIAN, PROF. EMERITA OF SOCIOLOGY, SIMMONS COLLEGE: Thank you.

JAY: So let’s start with sort of the more geopolitical picture before we get into what’s happening inside Syria. What exactly does Syria and Qatar plan to achieve here? If they actually—if they already are arming opposition, which some people are suggesting, as—and they’re also suggesting some arms are coming from Turkey. But if they do it overtly and openly under an Arab League resolution, one would think that leads to kind of the situation we saw in Lebanon for years, like, a horribly long-term, violent civil war. What would be in—how could that be in the interest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar?

HOGOPIAN: Well, what they are thinking is that the world is looking at them to do something, and all they can think about is that they’ll arm the Free Syrian Army. And they’re actually hoping that in some way Turkey and/or the Free Syrian Army will have sufficient strength to set up a kind of Benghazi, and that, theoretically, more of the Syrian army will defect if there is a place to go to.

And I think the Arab League is at a dead end. After all, it’s filled with people (especially those who head it—Saudi Arabia and Qatar at this point, Qatar being the official [incompr.] right now) who themselves have ruled their countries as families for years and years, are corrupt, and don’t exactly have a lot of human rights in their own countries. So—and the other end of that is that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are so fixated on Iran, and their desire somehow to break this Syrian regime and to usher in something that would be more pro-Western, yet at the same time fit into a kind of Islamic mold that both of them are fostering.

JAY: I mean, the level of hypocrisy, especially on the part of Saudi Arabia, where they can send troops in to Bahrain to help suppress protest, suppress protest inside Saudi Arabia—. And if Iran ever sent arms to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia would be screaming blue murder. On the other hand, it’s fine for Saudi Arabia to do exactly the same thing in Syria.

HOGOPIAN: Exactly. And it might be said here that the Arab League, when they passed this, they haven’t said they’re actually going to send him arms. They have built-in options that they could arm if the violence continues and people need help and that they need to defend themself. So they’ve given themself a kind of out. At the same time, we know that arms are going in to the Free Syrian Army and they’re coming from all directions, whether it be from Lebanon, whether it be from parts of Iraq—not necessarily the Lebanese government or the Iraqi government, but coming in from various other groups. And Turkey, while it tries to play a dual role, we don’t know. It’s arming—. The U.S., after all, also has bases in that area and may in fact be helping in some form of training, though the U.S. stays in the background. And hopefully—they’re hoping that others, like Turkey and Jordan, will accommodate some of the goals that the U.S. has in the area.

JAY: So what do you make of the opposition, the Free Syrian Army? And who else is in the opposition? ‘Cause it seems to be very diverse and very splintered.

A woman’s face painted with the national Syrian flag, attends a rally in support of President Bashar al-Assad in central Damascus on February 15, 2012.AFP
HOGOPIAN: It is. And I think it’s important to recognize—and I’d like to emphasize this point—there has been in Syria, long before this protest, a whole group of people, a kind of movement, if you will, for reform and human rights in Syria. They, in the early days—let us just even start from 2000, when Bashar Assad came in. A group of 99 intellectuals signed a statement because they thought he was a reformer and he had opened up Syria a little bit, and they signed a statement calling for specific reforms, and they did not call for a change in the regime or for the Assad family to step down or anything of this sort.

Later—and it seems that Bashar’s brother Maher seemed to advise him that opening up Syria was a bad idea at this point, that it would bring in all kinds of people trying to get clients in the area. And so they clamped down.

Nonetheless, in 2001, a group of 1,000 Syrians issued a statement in which again they were calling for reforms. And then later, again, in 2005, there was another declaration and call, and they each time became more intense and more demanding. But nothing happened.

The “Arab Spring”—I use that word in quotes—comes along, and this sort of strengthened the people who want reform. And so there was this authentic nonviolent movement going out in the streets, and they were not calling for Bashar Assad to step down. I think that’s very important.

I think that the regime—and I would emphasize here that Bashar Assad himself is not the regime. He is the head of the regime, and we don’t really know how much power he has, although he is responsible and he seems to be going along with what is happening, and may even be fostering it. But I think he handles it very poorly in Daraa when this whole thing broke out.

JAY: Why were the reformists not calling for the end of the regime, or at least some kind of multiparty election process?

HOGOPIAN: At that point, of course, they wanted more plurality. They didn’t want a removal of the emergency laws [incompr.] But they were not asking for regime change or Assad to step down, mostly because the Assad regime, for all of its horrors—the father, of course, initiated many horrors. But for all of its horrors and the continuing human rights violations under Bashar and so forth, it brought stability to Syria.

You have to remember, before the father took over in 1971—actually, 1970, officially ’71—Syria had had 15 coups. It was almost a yearly event. Fifteen coups. And there was no stability. The economy was in shambles. He takes over, has what he called the Corrective Movement, and he in a sense insists on a secular society. And being an Alawi, of course, that’s [incompr.] as well. But he insisted on a secular society. And in a sense, by very strong authoritarian regime and a very strong security system that he built up and force, he forced the integration of the different provinces and sects of Syria, which had eluded them, as you know, under the French. The French had split the area into so many pieces. Within what they left of Syria it was split. And so he brought it together. There was this stability.

When Bashar came in, he looked like a reformer and people liked him.

JAY: So if this, what you’re saying, the sort of authentic reformist movement wasn’t at least at that time calling for Assad to step down or for a regime change and all, which I guess partly too would have been, in the circumstances, more provocative than what was achievable, what happened? I mean, early in all of—. Just one sec. Early in this, even Hillary Clinton was calling Assad a reformist. So where does this change and why?

HOGOPIAN: Well, I think that, number one, as I say, I think the regime didn’t play it well. They’re used to not having a challenge to the regime itself. And while Bashar seems to have wanted reform, announces reform, the question always comes up of how much power does he actually have and who was advising him. There is a [incompr.] and a whole series of security forces, his brother leading the most important security force, and all kinds of domestic intelligence—Mukhabarat, as they are called. And they just didn’t handle this well. And yet the people continued peaceful for a while.

I think external forces like Qatar, like Saudi Arabia, the U.S. in the background, Israel, for all of its protests that it really doesn’t want to see change in Syria because it will bring in Muslim Brothers, etc., also has certain interest in seeing regime change—and they have for a long time—that, you know, for all of this, the regime, as I say, didn’t play it well. The forces from outside, these external forces, saw an opportunity, and they began to send in some of their own people or to pay in return a number of [incompr.] Muslim Brothers who are vied for both by Turkey and by Saudi Arabia. The Saudis sent in Salafis, as they did in Egypt. The Qataris are also sending in their own people, although the Qataris are such a small nation; but they have lots of money where they can buy people.

And in this process, when you began to get a kind of tit-for-tat, the defectors are predominantly from the Idlib area. The Idlib area is where the Muslim Brothers are. And they fled into Syria, and they began, in a sense, this more militant group. And these external forces sort of overran the authentic protesters and absorbed them in some way, and both the regime and these other externally paid people began to play the sectarian game.

JAY: Thanks very much for joining us, Elaine.

HOGOPIAN: Thank you. It was a pleasure.

JAY: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

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Editor’s Note: Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov —

“…it looks like a political provocation on an international scale”

Moscow has accused the west of stirring up tensions in the Arab world by calling for the overthrow of the Syrian regime.

Russia says calls from certain states for the Syrian opposition to avoid dialogue with the government, are only provoking further violence.

A functional State in Syria is a dangerous threat to Israeli plans for Lebanon and Hizbullah, and Syria must go.
An armed and stable Syria is a threat to any militant or belligerant plans which Israel might have for Lebanon or Hizbullah, therefore Syria must go.

Syria must be destroyed and neutralized as a player in ME militant diplomacy. This is in accord with Israeli strategic plans of balkanization of all neighboring Arab States in the Middle east and Africa.

If this means heads must roll then let the heads roll!

Think cui bono, and you will not have to dig much deeper for What? Who? and Why?

America and American policies have long been noted for their ability to alienate long term long time friends and especially former or potential strong and beneficial allies. It seem to have been afflicted with some sort of political/diplomatic suicide syndrome.

Author and journalist Webster Tarpley, who’s in Damascus, says, it’s very simple, western powers are behind the violence in Syria.

Webster Tarpley: Mossad vs Assad? ‘CIA death squads behind Syria bloodbath’

Excalibur
March 1, 2012 – 1:26 pm
I recall at the beginning of the Syrian troubles that a large contingent of Syrian Police were CLEANLY taken out in an utterly ruthless mass execution style attack. None were beaten up or tortured – as you might expect from angry and half arsed local rebels. I remember thinking that this almost certainly had to be either a mossad or special forces style operation. It was certainly NOT the work of goat herders and protesting Arab street traders! After the blue touch paper is lit – you can expect anything from anybody. It also looks like the ruling ‘elite’ in Syria are always so far away from the action that they do not really know what is going on. That way they make bad mistakes and miscalculations. My take on the scenario more or less mirrors the Russian one shown here in this article. There is only ONE terrorist organisation and terrorist base in the whole world that we should concern ourselves with – and that one operates out of Tel Aviv.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/29/what-is-really-going-on-in-syria/