Dec 5th 2011. Has a War With Iran Already Begun?

Amerika the reality.

To say that The United States prosecutes more people on frivolous charges than other countries are over the entire repression of a people says quite a bit. While in many respects we have a more fair than most legal system, it is not an indicator that we pass good laws or don’t harass our own people unjustly. Were you aware that parents were arrested a while back in front of their kids for giving away free food to the homeless in Orlando? The city passed legislation that made it illegal to give food away to large groups without a permit. People are starving and it was criminalized for them to be fed for free! In illinois, it is now ILLEGAL for citizens to resist UNLAWFUL entry into their homes by law enforcement agencies. Again, it is illegal to resist [unlawful] entry by police forces. These are just two of a growing number of alarming instances of the high moral footing you speak of.

You do not get militarization at a local level. Military grade weapons and vehicles are being sold at discounted rates to local law enforcement agencies. Civilian police departments now have access to rocket launchers and high-end machine guns. Civilian. The Posse Comitatus Act was passed in 1878 to prevent local law enforcement from having access to or using military personnel or equipment. Sadly, just days ago, the National Defense Authorization Act is poised to repeal that nearly 150 year old protection. Do you understand what we are seeing yet?

Has a War With Iran Already Begun?

By Michael Hirsh
Dec 5 2011, 9:20 AM ET 57

Violent incidents between Iran and the West have been increasing
Protesters storm the British embassy in Tehran / AP

Two incidents that occurred on Sunday–Iran’s claim of a shoot-down of a U.S. drone, and an explosion outside the British embassy in Bahrain–may have been unrelated. But they appear to add to growing evidence that an escalating covert war by the West is under way against Iran, and that Tehran is retaliating with greater intensity than ever.

Asked whether the United States, in cooperation with Israel, was now engaged in a covert war against Iran’s nuclear program that may include the Stuxnet virus, the blowing-up of facilities and the assassination or kidnapping of scientists, one recently retired U.S. official privy to up-to-date intelligence would not deny it.

“It’s safe to say the Israelis are very active,” the official said, adding about U.S. efforts: “Everything that [GOP presidential candidate] Mitt Romney said we should be doing–tough sanctions, covert action and pressuring the international community — are all of the things we are actually doing.” Though the activities are classified, a senior Obama administration official also would not deny that such a program was under way. He indicated that the U.S. was not involved in every action, referring to recent alleged explosions at Isfahan and elsewhere. But, he added: “I wouldn’t assume that everything we do is coordinated.”

Former undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, who oversaw America’s Iran engagement during the Bush administration, asked Sunday about reports that the U.S. program began under George W. Bush, said he could not comment on intelligence matters.

Photos of an Iranian military base near Bid Kaneh in before (top) and after (bottom) a large explosion reportedly occurred, apparent damage from which can be seen / Institute for Science and International Security
In September, the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, accused Great Britain, Israel and the U.S. of conducting attacks on him and other Iranian scientists.”Six years ago the intelligence service of the UK began collecting information and data regarding my past, my family, the number of children,” Abbasi-Davani told a news conference at the annual conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna. Abbasi-Davani, who was said to have been wounded in 2010 car bomb explosion, said the attacks were carried out by Israel with the “support of the intelligence services of the United States and England.”

Last week, Iranian protesters stormed the British embassy in Tehran. Dominick Chilcott, Britain’s ambassador to Iran, later said the attack occurred “with the acquiescence and the support of the state.” Then, on Sunday, Bahrain’s interior ministry announced that an explosion occurred inside a minibus parked near the British Embassy. There were no immediate reports of serious damage or injuries.

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U.S. officials alleged in October that agents acting for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, which has increasingly exerted control over the Tehran regime, were involved in a plot to kill that Saudi ambassador to Washington in a restaurant. Iran denied the allegations. Then, on Sunday, in what have been another escalation, Iran’s news agency reported that Iranian armed forces shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that illegally crossed the country’s eastern border.

Responding to the Iranian report, NATO command in Afghanistan released a terse statement Sunday: “The UAV to which the Iranians are referring may be a US unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week. The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status.”

The White House declined to comment but officials did not seem unduly alarmed, suggesting that the drone’s capture would not provide Iran with significant information about U.S. surveillance technology and techniques.

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council in Washington, said the tit-for-tat incidents “add up to a very worrisome picture,” in part because “the Iranians are absorbing all of these assassinations without seeing the pace of their nuclear program slow down to the extent it would be acceptable to the West.” But if Iranian retaliations grow serious enough, he said, they could provide “the pretext for a much larger war” in which the Israelis, and possibly the Americans, launch a full attack on Iran.

Mark Hibbs, a nuclear expert at the Carnegie Endowment in Germany, says the intensity of the covert war indicates that this is where the U.S. and Israel are putting their energy for now. “If the U.S. or Israel were determined to take Iran’s nuclear installations out they wouldn’t be wasting time pinpointing individual scientists like this,” he says. Still, he points out, that Israel’s 1981 attack on Iraq’s Osirak reactor was also preceded by assassination attempts on Iraqi scientists.

By accident or not, it’s entirely possible the covert war could escalate into a real one, experts say. “I am less enthusiastic about how effective all this going to be than some people in the administration,” says Matthew Bunn, a nuclear investigator at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. Bunn says he has occasionally discussed the program with the Obama administration officials, and “some have broadly suggested they think this is major element of slowing down Iranian progress.”

He’s not so sure. “Take Stuxnet. It’s possible that a thousand centrifuges went down” because of sabotage by the mystery computer virus _ a super sophisticated program said to have caused substantial parts of Iran’s uranium enrichment program to self-destruct several years ago. “But Iran has a thousand more than they would require to enrich to highly enriched uranium” needed for a bomb. Bunn also notes that Iran is increasingly keeping its key scientists such as Mohsen Fakrizadeh, said to be the “Oppenheimer” of the Iranian program, hidden away from sight and burying its facilities deeper underground.

Beyond that, says Hibbs, “Some of the concern in the expert community is that in going this route we’re unleashing forces we cannot control.”

“It’s safe to say the Israelis are very active,”

“Some of the concern in the expert community is that in going this route we’re unleashing forces we cannot control.”

Steve Pallister 1 month ago in reply to NedAndre

Bullshit. Not even in Australia are your moronic ill behaved troops welcome.

Also according to history (the real thing, not Hollywood) the USA is an atrocious war criminal terrorist state with tens of millions of genocidal murders to its credit. Indeed the USA is the greatest mass murdering nation in history. The string of failed wars you’ve left behind you, one country after another trashed and poisoned forever bespeaks a beast nation and nothing more. Bloody insane cretins. Your sense of chosen ness is second only to those ugly Israelis. Both of you are going to hell soon and not one day too soon.

ISRAEL WILL BE HAVING AN ORGASM!

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/has-a-war-with-iran-already-begun/249467/

One response to “Dec 5th 2011. Has a War With Iran Already Begun?

  1. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/has-a-war-with-iran-already-begun/249467/

    EXTRA BONUS

    DebbieSmith1956 1 month ago

    Iran is sitting on a massive natural resource, the world’s second largest natural gas reserves. Here is an article outlining just how large Iran’s natural gas reserves are compared to the total volume of natural gas in the United States and how China is taking an increasingly large position in developing this resource:

    http://viableopposition.blogsp

    It will be interesting to see how long it takes before a coalition of nations decides to act in the name of regime change with the ultimate goal of accessing Iran’s resources.

    Lesson in History: Sept 10th 2001, Don Rumsfeld announces 2.4 Trillion is unaccounted for in the defense budget. Next day the towers fell. Nobody asked about the 2.4 trillion except us fringe types.

    Recently Bloomberg reports that many trillions were secretly loaned to certain banks at virtually no interest, and those banks often turned around and invested that loaned money in Treasuries at 3%, earning billions in interest at taxpayer expense. How is the status Quo going to distract us for seeing the very core of it’s corruption?

    War is the only sure distraction from that and heartless greed either rationalizes or does not care the human cost of it’s own self-preservation.

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