9/12 Ron Paul: “The PATRIOT Act Was Written Many, Many Years Before 9/11 [And The Attacks Simply Provided] An Opportunity …

Ron Paul: “The PATRIOT Act Was Written Many, Many Years Before 9/11 [And The Attacks Simply Provided] An Opportunity …

Submitted by George Washington on 12/09/2011 18:16 -0500

Politico notes:

Ron Paul isn’t backing down from his position that the U.S. has provoked terrorists through foreign military occupation and that officials tried to capitalize on Sept. 11 attacks.

“Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq, and so the war drums beat,” Paul said Thursday night before a packed room of more than 1,000 students and supporters. “That’s exactly what they’re doing now with Iran.”


His libertarian ideals have struck a cord with many, but conservatives remain deeply wary of Paul’s foreign policy positions, including his assertion that the U.S. provoked the Sept. 11 attacks by maintaining military bases in foreign countries. Paul’s position as the lone dove in the GOP race has made him a foil for some of his hawkish Republican opponents.

“Extremists have taken over, and they’re the ones who run the foreign policy and have convinced us to go along with all these wars,” Paul said Wednesday night.

Paul said that claims Iran could be developing a nuclear weapon are just part of an effort to scare Americans into going to war again.

Paul said of the possibility that Iran has a nuclear weapon is “not true at all.” “It doesn’t mean they might not want a nuclear weapon.”

No other country, Paul said, is capable of attacking the United States.

“How many foreign countries can threaten us right now?” Paul asked sarcastically. “How many are likely to invade us or drop a bomb on us? I can’t imagine.”


“The PATRIOT Act was written many, many years before 9/11,” Paul said. The attacks simply provided “an opportunity for some people to do what they wanted to do,” he said.


“I wish we could guarantee a democratic and honest election in this country as well,” Paul said. “The democratic process in this country has a long way to go.”

Mr. Paul is right:
The government’s spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this)
The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11 (and see this). Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.
The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.

(4:30 into this video).

Government plans, exercises or drills to detain American citizens who opposed war were also drawn up before 9/11
The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11 (see this and this)
The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might “have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.” And see this.
Cheney made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: “Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.” (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)
The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11, and the Christian Science Monitor notes that the U.S. has been claiming for more than 30 years that Iran was on the verge of nuclear capability

Wars throughout the Middle East and North Africa to effect regime were planned before 9/11
Cheney dreamed of giving the White House the powers of a monarchy long before 9/11

Cheney and Rumsfeld actively generated fake intelligence which exaggerated the threat from an enemy in order to justify huge amounts of military spending long before 9/11. And see this
The government knew that terrorists could use planes as weapons — and had even run its own drills of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, using REAL airplanes — all before 9/11
America played dirty games to justify wars before 9/11

Sat, 12/10/2011 – 05:07 | 1965697 swani
Whatever people want to believe about 9/11, one thing is absolutely clear: the US Government should have tested for thermite (explosives) and didn’t. Over 100 first responders and other witnesses heard and felt what felt like explosions coming from the elevator shafts and from the bottom of the buildings and everything about the way that the buildings collapsed, including the dust clouds from the concrete being made into dust, would have made any normal fire investigators test for explosives. It is in the firefighter’s manual that in cases like this, testing for explosives is not only common practice, it is mandatory.

However, as per the September 11th Commission’s own reports on the investigation following the September 11th attacks, they never tested for explosives. This is shocking. Didn’t they want to find out if there weren’t, perhaps, other terrorists involved in the planning of the attacks? This was the biggest crime in US history. How could the investigators have behaved with less concern to investigate all possible scenarios, than firefighters conducting a regular old arson investigation?

How could we prevent another September 11th, if we never properly investigated September 11th?

I don’t think the answer is to open a Guantanamo on US soil, or to invade every Muslim country, or, to spy on all of our citizens in the way of a Totalitarian Communist country. That is not the way that we make ourselves safer. And certainly not, when we are not even investing in the testing for explosives after a crime like this. And not when we spent more money investigating Monica Lewinsky than we did the September 11th attacks.

Sat, 12/10/2011 – 05:17 | 1965702 Gringo Viejo
Captain Joseph Rhett Barker, West Point, Class of 1938. Guerilla fighter, 26 Calvary, Philippine Scouts, Luzon Phillipines, 1941-1943. Betrayed by an informant, captured by the Japanese, tortured and beheaded, October 1943. Last message to comrades: “Only those willing to die, are fit to live”.


Well have to agree with this due to Douglas Reed completed his book in 1956 and wrote of these wars we now see across the Middle East!

Neoconservatives Planned Regime Change Throughout the Middle East and North Africa 20 Years Ago

Posted on November 28, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog

Iraq ☑ Libya ☑ … Syria ☐ Lebanon ☐ Somalia ☐ Sudan ☐ Iran ☐
I’ve repeatedly documented that the Neocons planned regime change in Iraq, Libya, Iran, Syria and a host of other countries right after 9/11 … if not before.

And that Obama is implementing these same plans – just with a “kindler, gentler” face.

Glenn Greenwald provides further documentation that the various Middle Eastern and North African wars were planned before 9/11:

General Wesley Clark … said the aim of this plot [to “destroy the governments in … Iraq, … Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”

[I]n the aftermath of military-caused regime change in Iraq and Libya … with concerted regime change efforts now underway aimed at Syria and Iran, with active and escalating proxy fighting in Somalia, with a modest military deployment to South Sudan, and the active use of drones in six — count ‘em: six — different Muslim countries, it is worth asking whether the neocon dream as laid out by Clark is dead or is being actively pursued and fulfilled, albeit with means more subtle and multilateral than full-on military invasions (it’s worth remembering that neocons specialized in dressing up their wars in humanitarian packaging: Saddam’s rape rooms! Gassed his own people!). As Jonathan Schwarz … put it about the supposedly contentious national security factions:

As far as I can tell, there’s barely any difference in goals within the foreign policy establishment. They just disagree on the best methods to achieve the goals. My guess is that everyone agrees we have to continue defending the mideast from outside interference (I love that Hillary line), and the [Democrats] just think that best path is four overt wars and three covert actions, while the neocons want to jump straight to seven wars.


The neocon end as Clark reported them — regime change in those seven countries — seems as vibrant as ever. It’s just striking to listen to Clark describe those 7 countries in which the neocons plotted to have regime change back in 2001, and then compare that to what the U.S. Government did and continues to do since then with regard to those precise countries.

Note: The so-called “war on terror” has also weakened our national security and created many more terrorists than it has killed, imprisoned or otherwise stopped. It is also destroying our economy.



Denny says:
November 28, 2011 at 5:56 am
In addition to the slow rousing of the general population’s awareness and nascent unity, the other thing we have in our favor is the inherent arrogance of the radical neo-cons (‘Con’ is an interesting and myriad word used in this context). The neo-cons are simply the cunning portion of the elites’ brain at this point. They are too ruthless and barbaric to possess any shred of wisdom and they are also, unfortunately, sociopaths in suits with a lot of money behind them; but like all megalomaniacs they will, hopefully, very hopefully contribute to their own demise (with a big hand from we little people). The curtain has only just begun to rise!

Jimbo says:
November 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm
This is a powerful post. I only hope members of the main stream media read it and have pangs of conscience.

A journalist’s job is to report the facts & evidence:
Who is it about?
What happened?
Where did it take place?
When did it take place?
Why did it happen?
How did it happen?

The facts & evidence support the conclusion that the Obama administration foreign policies in many ways are a continuity of the Bush foreign (military) policies.

Do the American People know this? Do the American People support this?

Do journalists have a responsibility to report this?

Pangs of conscience, anyone?

Francisco Almeida. says:
November 28, 2011 at 2:27 pm

Your outstanding above remarks leave no room for further comments !

Just to say that we all wish them all neoCONs to slowly burn in hell.

Denny says:
December 4, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Thank you, Francisco. Denny

Dudeman Someguy says:
November 28, 2011 at 7:03 pm
thanks for this!!

Remmic says:
November 29, 2011 at 1:23 am
Check out what Professor Chossudovsky has to say

massimo says:
November 29, 2011 at 11:02 am
Let the Neo0Cons make their plans in order to benefit Israel, but all the hatred and anger is going toward the United States all over the Middle east & Africa .


Rex 84From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be “national security threats”, in the event that the President declares a “State of Domestic National Emergency”. The plan states that events that might cause such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America.[1][2][3][4][5][6] To combat what the government perceived as “subversive activities”, the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.[7]

Rex 84 was written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who was both National Security Council White House Aide, and NSC liaison to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and John Brinkerhoff, the deputy director of “national preparedness” programs for FEMA. They patterned the plan on an 1970 report written by FEMA chief Louis Giuffrida, at the Army War College, which proposed the detention of up to 21 million “American Negroes”, if there were a black militant uprising in the United States.[1][8] Existence of a master military contingency plan (of which REX-84 was a part), “Garden Plot” and a similar earlier exercise, “Lantern Spike” were originally revealed by journalist Ron Ridenhour, who summarized his findings in an article in CounterSpy.[9]

Transcripts from the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987 record the following dialogue between Congressman Jack Brooks, Oliver North’s attorney Brendan Sullivan and Senator Daniel Inouye, the Democratic Chair of the joint Senate-House Committee:[10]

[Congressman Jack] Brooks: Colonel North, in your work at the N.S.C. were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?
Brendan Sullivan [North’s counsel, agitatedly]: Mr. Chairman?

[Senator Daniel] Inouye: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch upon that?

Brooks: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was an area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

Inouye: May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I’m certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.
Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen regularly.[11] For example, from 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the “ADEX” list.[12]

The basic facts about Rex 84 and other contingency planning readiness exercises—and the potential threat they pose to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation—are taken seriously by scholars and civil libertarians.[13][broken citation]




September 24, 2010 07:00 AM
New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War in Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001
88 commentsBy karoli
All of us knew it but couldn’t prove it. Now we can prove it. Newly declassified documents published at the National Security Archive prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the Bush administration planned to topple Saddam Hussein and invade Iraq as early as January, 2001, and were making strategic plans and resource allocations as early as November, 2001.

January 30, 2001 – Bush administration principals (agency heads) meet for the
first time and discuss the Middle East, including Bush’s intention to disengage from the Israel-Palestine peace process and “How Iraq is destabilizing the region.” Bush directs Rumsfeld and JCS chairman Hugh Shelton to examine military options for Iraq; CIA director George Tenet is directed to improve intelligence on the country. Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill and counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke are both struck by the emphasis on confronting Iraq, an aim consistent with Rumsfeld’s hiring of Wolfowitz and later Feith, well known for their bellicosity on the issue, for high-level Pentagon
positions. (Source: EBB/Franks Timeline (PDF))

When did we invade Afghanistan? Oh, that’s right…it was October 7, 2001.

Walking through these documents makes it clear that the Bush Administration — from Day One — intended to invade Iraq at some point in their reign of terror. Here is a memo (PDF) dated January 23, 2001 outlining the “Origins of the Iraq Regime Change Policy”. This was requested by Vice President-elect Dick Cheney before taking office, presumably as a way to justify policy formation around aggressive US efforts for “regime change” in Iraq.

This memo (PDF) written on November 27, 2001 should send cold chills up and down your spine. It is a list of talking points from Rumsfeld to Franks about how to handle a run-up to a full-scale Iraq invasion. November 27th, 51 days after Afghanistan was invaded. And check this talking point:

Afghanistan was never, ever a priority for the Bush Administration. It was always about Iraq. To line up support for the plan, they were marshalling the Catholics and anyone else they could get to start forming arguments for “just wars”. An internal memo from Robert Andrews, Dep. Assistant Secretary of Defense on December 17, 2001 touted this:

A prominent Catholic theologian outlines the moral justification for a pre-emptive strike against Iraq.

[…a list of reasons why it was so important follows]

•Introduces the concept of “regime factor,”
•illustrates the concept using the Iraq situation
•demonstrates how pre-emptive action against Iraq fits into the just-war tradition
That memo made its way to Douglas Feith, neocon extraordinaire, who left his approval in the margin:

George is a brilliant guy and a gentleman. Thanks for sending this along. DJF

Speaking strictly for me, the idea of Catholic aides to the Pope pushing wars as “just” to our government smacks of intervention not of the divine kind. The article itself pushes along the lie about WMD, too, reinforcing what we now know was nothing more than fantasy in the black hearts of Cheney and his neocon brigade. But it added to the political cover the Bush administration needed to push the Iraq effort forward.

Iraq, for Cheney, Bush and the crew, was a way to increase prestige and power. Nothing speaks to that louder than the oft-repeated words in this memo from Donald Rumsfeld on July 27, 2001 where he says this at least twice:

If Saddam’s regime were ousted, we would have a much-improved position in the region and elsewhere.

The first time he mentions this, it’s with some regret that we’re not better friends with Iran. The second time he mentions it, it’s in his closing argument for why toppling Saddam Hussein will strengthen US Arab-Israeli policy. It’s like a talisman for Rumsfeld, this idea of improving our “US credibility and influence throughout the region”.

Here’s the punchline, courtesy of the National Security Archive summary:

At this point, the weight of evidence supports an observation made in April 2002 by members of the covert Iraq Operations Group – Iraq “regime change” was already on Bush’s agenda when he took office in January 2001. (Note 33) September 11 was not the motivation for the U.S. invasion of Iraq – it was a distraction from it.

Now, at least, our instinct about Iraq being the one true goal is confirmed. For whatever that’s worth, anyway.






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    Bluestocking — 9/24/10 8:38am When you recall that the late Matt Simmons — a Harvard MBA who successfully ran an investment bank specializing in the energy industry for over two decades — was not only part of Cheney’s Energy Task Force but also a prominent member of the Peak Oil movement, it’s not hard to see how this might have been connected to the War In Iraq. (In fact, there are some who wonder if Simmons’s death was entirely accidental.)

    Simmons’s belief in Peak Oil was always based on the fact that some of the oil-producing countries — most notably the Saudis — have been somewhat cagey and evasive when it comes to reporting just how much petroleum they still have on reserve, and he suspected that many of these reports have been deliberately exaggerated (probably at least in part because the economies of many of these nations are so heavily dependent on their petroleum exports). Of the five countries which our own Department of Energy ranks as having the largest reserves of petroleum — a resource on which our country is so heavily dependent that it amounts to an addiction — only two are not on friendly terms with the United States. Care to guess what those two countries are?

    Did you guess Iraq and Iran? If you did, give yourself a gold star!

    So if there’s any truth to Simmons’s suspicions — and given that the man specialized in the energy industry for over two decades, you’d think he might be in a position to know — would the possibility that the world’s estimate petroleum reserves are smaller than reported be enough to prompt our government to invade one (if not both) of the two remaining countries with the largest oil reserves in attempt to grab it for ourselves? I think you have to acknowledge that it very probably would be, even though the likelihood of the government actually acknowledging this publicly would be slim at best. (Then again, when the initial plan for the War In Iraq were drawn up, what was it called again? Oh, yes…Operation Iraqi Liberation, or OIL. Freudian slip, maybe?)

    (Then again, there are others who believe that the Peak Oil movement itself is little more than a politically convenient conspiracy designed to justify higher energy costs and intimidate the American people into accepting the necessity of war in the Middle East…so the possibility can’t be entirely ruled out that these people had us coming and going, and were laughing all the way to the bank.)


    Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.

    The Power of Nightmares BigDaddyMalcontent — 9/24/10 1:12pm is another good primer. It’s a BBC documentary showing the simultaneous rise of the neoconservative movement and radical Islam.


    1996 – A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm MountainMan23 — 9/24/10 7:21am From WikiPedia:
    A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

    A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the “Clean Break” report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel’s security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on “Western values”. It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.

    The document itself:
    A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

    Search for first reference to Iraq:

    Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria’s regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.

    Read the rest. It’s a blueprint for Israeli and US actions in the Middle East throughout the Bush years.


    Mr. President:
    Over 4,000 peaceful protesters have been arrested.
    While bankers continue to destroy the American economy.
    You must stop the assault on our 1st amendment rights.
    Your silence sends a message that police brutality is acceptable.

    more ▼.So is it still hyperbolic to Loonie — 9/24/10 7:24am So is it still hyperbolic to refer to them as war criminals now?

    more ▼.That seems to be the Company response. savannah43 — 9/24/10 10:08am Hyperbole–not to be taken seriously. Why doesn’t any MSM harp on this? Oh, right! The MSM is owned by those invested in the ginned up wars.

    more ▼.Of course Cheney & Bush were planning to invade Iraq… Amitola — 9/24/10 7:34am before they got into office. The PNAC docs, which also were written and published before that, clearly outline the neo-con ‘defense strategy’ for establishing forward military bases in the ME and providing a platform for securing (stealing) energy resources.

    “September 11 was not the motivation for the U.S. invasion of Iraq – it was a distraction from it.”

    It was not a distraction, it was the necessary factor for getting Americans to ‘approve’ a pre-emptive war. If there had been no ‘attack’ on the US, how many regular folks would have stood by/supported the adventure of Big Oil using our troops to secure oil reserves during ‘peace time’ ??

    Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wofowitz, Feith, Kristol, and all of the signatories to the PNAC who planned and perpetrated this invasion of a sovereign nation should be prosecuted at the Hague for war crimes. Hopefully more documented evidence will surface to make that a real possibility…..before Darth’s new ‘fake’ heart stops.


    “Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity” – Frank Leahy

    more ▼.Afghanistan ron — 9/24/10 7:41am doesn’t have any good targets.

    more ▼.Future pipeline? savannah43 — 9/24/10 10:02am Extremely malleable puppet government? Primitive people with no resources? I guess it depends on how one defines the word “target?”

    more ▼.they have a lot of resources truth_hurts_dont_it — 9/25/10 3:34pm they have a lot of resources – OPIUM

    more ▼.RE: the necessary factor for getting Americans to ‘approve’ fastfeat — 9/24/10 7:47am Bingo!

    And it’s been Fux’s job to keep ’em scared and stoopid so they’ll fall for the next trick (Iran?).


    “Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight.”

    —Southwest Airlines

    more ▼.Jeb Bush Karyn — 9/24/10 8:11am is a signatory too. Was helpful he was the Gov to help get his brother (who isn’t a signatory…just wanted to ‘get Saddam’ …..probably to show his daddy what a ‘man’ he is) and Cheney (a fellow PNACer) into office so they could make sure to start to re-make the ME.

    In January, 2001,Jeb Bush put out an executive order for the State of Florida detailing stuff about how the state was going to be governed and that particular EO was supposed to cover the governance until 2003. Well, lo’ and behold, on Sept 7, 2001, he put out another EO, which SUPERSEDED the original one…and Number 3 point was something about making sure the National Guard would be brought up in case of ‘natural disasters (which I always thought was in the State Charters to begin with) and
    any terrorist activities……..

    more ▼.speaking of ‘Darth’…. Karyn — 9/24/10 8:15am Last I heard he was ‘doing fine’ at home after FINALLY leaving a hospital…..IF he has left the hospital. He must have been transferred to another one when it was in the news he had left…

    more ▼.Rats!! Amitola — 9/24/10 9:55am >>>>


    “Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity” – Frank Leahy

    more ▼.Cheney will never overcome the negative energy savannah43 — 9/24/10 9:58am he’s drawn to himself. Look out Liz. Have you learned nothing but evil from the old bastard?

    more ▼.Yep. BigDaddyMalcontent — 9/24/10 1:59pm I’m astounded by the cognitive acrobatics people will employ in order to avoid the obvious. It’s like creationists saying God put the fossils everywhere to test our faith.

    more ▼.War Criminals – Smoking Gun Ex-Canuck — 9/24/10 7:34am OK, I won’t hold my breath waiting for the apology to all of us progressives who knew that the cheney/bush administration was rife with the worst kind of war criminals from the beginning. Yes, we knew as early as 9/11/01. You could see it in bush’s beady eyes as he sat in that classroom, realizing that he was personally complicit in the deaths of over 3000 people.

    Just hope they kept the noose used on sadaam in their second illegal war…

    more ▼.Shhhhh! ron — 9/24/10 7:47am We’re not supposed to talk about conspiracy theories here.

    more ▼.Take that conversation to the UN.. Blue Lensman — 9/24/10 7:51am But don’t expect US to stick around!

    more ▼.I always thought that Karyn — 9/24/10 8:12am Bush was thinking: ‘DAMN…they really did this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’

    more ▼.I thought he was thinking, “Christ! Do they know I approved savannah43 — 9/24/10 9:55am this? I am the decider.”

    more ▼.Yeah, he had that kind of fuddled — 9/24/10 7:09pm Yeah, he had that kind of look a kid gets when the teacher found out about something bad he did.

    more ▼.Here’s some more evidence.. Geronimo. — 9/24/10 7:38am U.S. sought attack on al-Qaida: White House given plan days before Sept. 11

    US ‘planned attack on Taleban’


    “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    more ▼.Someone needs to tell Obama right away… Milquetoast — 9/24/10 7:41am …so he can put Eric Holder to work on this.

    perhaps we could re-assemble the 9/11 comission to take a look at 9/11 again?



    more ▼.Is that before or after they Liberal AND Proud — 9/24/10 7:43am Is that before or after they fix healthcare as Pelosi promised.


    Reeeead my LIPS! NO..NEW…TEXANS!

    more ▼.as soon as the torture trials are over… Milquetoast — 9/24/10 8:05am …right after Guantanamo is closed.

    (don’t wanna overload Eric Holder)



    more ▼.I wonder if Ms Pelosi, in the Liberal AND Proud — 9/24/10 8:18am I wonder if Ms Pelosi, in the interest of bipartisanship is going to put impeachment back on the table.


    Reeeead my LIPS! NO..NEW…TEXANS!

    more ▼.From the “Duh!” Files bayville — 9/24/10 7:44am So does that mean the Obama Administration will be prosecuting the War Criminals for Crimes against Humanity any day now?

    Oh sorry, his Justice Department is busy fighting to protect DADT right now. Carry on. Look forward, not behind folks.

    more ▼.full stop derekthered — 9/24/10 7:45am we know this, and we know obama is not really changing a thing, only putting the iron fist into a velvet glove.

    Oil and the Regime of Capitalism:
    Questions to Philosophers of the Future


    more ▼.PNAC or The Project for a New Geronimo. — 9/24/10 7:56am PNAC or The Project for a New American Century also generally called for all this and more back in September of 2000 in their published article “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” Extremely good and interesting read for any policy wonds or politically minded journalists.

    This is the paper where the quote:

    “Further, the process of transformation,
    even if it brings revolutionary change, is
    likely to be a long one, absent some
    catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
    new Pearl Harbor.” — p. 51.

    Comes from.

    Here’s the people involved:

    Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

    Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

    Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

    Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

    Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

    Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz


    “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    more ▼.I like the stuff on page 60 Karyn — 9/24/10 8:04am of ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses”

    talks about turning bioweapons away from ‘the realm of terror into a politically useful tool.”

    Also, on page 22/23 lists three objectives:

    1. Secure natural resources
    2. Transform the Middle East
    3. Maintain a PERMANENT presence in the Persian Gulf Region.

    more ▼.The patriot act was written… Milquetoast — 9/24/10 7:55am before 9/11 also




    more ▼.yup MountainMan23 — 9/24/10 7:56am It did seem kind of hokey that they produced a 1000 page document with only a moment’s notice.


    Mr. President:
    Over 4,000 peaceful protesters have been arrested.
    While bankers continue to destroy the American economy.
    You must stop the assault on our 1st amendment rights.
    Your silence sends a message that police brutality is acceptable.

    more ▼.The Anglo-American War Machine Requires Oil MountainMan23 — 9/24/10 7:55am The Anglo-American War Machine requires oil.

    Without adequate oil the Anglo-American War Machine cannot invade and occupy other nations.

    Without invading and occupying other nations the Anglo-American War Machine will run out of oil.

    Therefore the Anglo-American War Machine MUST invade and occupy other nations.

    Quid Erat Demonstatum


    Mr. President:
    Over 4,000 peaceful protesters have been arrested.
    While bankers continue to destroy the American economy.
    You must stop the assault on our 1st amendment rights.
    Your silence sends a message that police brutality is acceptable.

    more ▼.Yeah, well Rabid Liberal — 9/24/10 7:56am If the presidency is stolen twice by the Bush Bastards, then did we expect anything less? I remember clearly thinking that the Florida recount was unprecedented in US history. And if Bush won after the MSM had declared Gore the winner, then I knew the fix was in. Four years later, same shit, different state (Ohio).

    It boils my blood to think that this treasonous bunch have killed and maimed millions of innocent people. Yet, here we are with proof that war crimes were committed but Obama and his damn mantra of “Don’t look backward, keep looking forward” will set a precedent that crimes do pay for future presidential administrations.

    more ▼.”Obama’s ‘look-forward, not back’ Karyn — 9/24/10 8:01am won’t mean a thing if Issa gets what he wants….doesn’t matter President Obama seems to be covering the Bush Adm.’s ass…..he’ll be investigated up the ying-yang..and back down again….

    more ▼.The new absolute defense to any crime committed savannah43 — 9/24/10 9:51am by anyone is that they won’t do it again. Not guilty. Look forward, not backward. And I thought BHO was not going to interfere in the DOJ? HA!

    more ▼.I have sent this stuff…sent this stuff….. Karyn — 9/24/10 8:00am sent this stuff non-stop. And nothing has come from it. NOTHING.

    I know I have talked about “9/11: Press For Truth”

    The companion piece is: ‘In Their Own Words” which brings out even more stuff about how they families investigating 9/11 were so jerked around by the FBI…how NORAD changed it’s timeline at least 3 documented times….etc…It also discusses those ‘put-options’ that were made days previous to 9/11 on American and United Airlines. And how ‘thoroughly’, (NOT), the SEC checked that out… very interesting stuff…also sent both of those links to everyone I could think of…still NOTHING….

    not even any response from Democrats (hahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaa) I have sent them to..the ones you can get through to.

    more ▼.Colin Powell Rollo Tomassi — 9/24/10 8:01am I wonder if Colin Powell will break his vow of silence now? Probably not, but there’s no doubt in my mind now that Powell knew damn well he was lying to the U.N. prior to the invasion.

    more ▼.Powell’s lying to the UN Karyn — 9/24/10 8:02am I was truly disappointed in that he didn’t at least resign when he knew what crap was coming down….such a ‘good soldier’ he was.

    more ▼.Col. Lawrence Wilkerson Resigned and said this… Geronimo. — 9/24/10 8:20am Lawrence Wilkerson was Powell’s Chief of Staff until he resigned out of protest..

    George W. Bush ‘knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent’

    George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the Guantánamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.

    The accusations were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a Guantánamo detainee. It is the first time that such allegations have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.



    “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    more ▼.


    He could do better no doubt. Geronimo. — 9/24/10 8:26am Russia Today covered the story..

    Col. Lawrence Wilkerson on Tyranny:


    “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    more ▼.Yeah, but BigDaddyMalcontent — 9/24/10 12:57pm the UN also knew Powell was lying to the UN.

    more ▼.Paul O’Neill Mugsy — 9/24/10 8:09am Finally, vindication for Bush’s first Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill?


    Sign my petition: Green jobs TOMORROW, fast & cheap. Here’s how.
    I need 5,000 signatures by December 20th.

    more ▼.Paul O’Neil didn’t fit well Joe H. — 9/24/10 9:00am Paul O’Neil didn’t fit well in the Bush crime family syndicate.

    more ▼.Thank You. Geronimo. — 9/24/10 10:46am Thank You karoli. Thank You Crooks & Liars. And Thank you to all the Patriotic Americans who are sick of putting up with this B.S. in our Country. Much Appreciated!


    “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

    more ▼.I don’t know why ron — 9/24/10 8:16am all of you are here when you could be hippie punching with Susie on the earlier post.

    more ▼.Duh Margaret — 9/24/10 8:20am Just sayin’


    Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine

    more ▼.Here is the link Karyn — 9/24/10 8:37am http://**********.com/news/2010-09-12/lawrenc

    But there is discussion about the ‘massaging the info’ for Condi’s testimony in this.

    more ▼.Shame Joe H. — 9/24/10 8:57am Until such time that the architects of this criminal operation are indicted, handcuffed, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to prison for their crimes, this great nation shall have its international stature diminished, as demonstrated by our hypocrisy, arrogance, and failed political system.

    more ▼.And yet Trantorian — 9/24/10 9:16am George W. Bush is on record multiple times insisting that the use of force to effect regime change in Iraq was the “last resort”.

    If Eric Holder will not indict Bush and Cheney for felonious assault, fraud and violation of Article 2 of the Constitution then he is complicit in these crimes.


    The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.” J.K. Galbraith

    more ▼.Does this suprise anyone? shaggles — 9/24/10 9:17am Does this suprise anyone?

    more ▼.and Obama will continue to Pete Seattle — 9/24/10 9:30am and Obama will continue to look forward, not backward.

    more ▼.Further proof of what we already knew……. xargaw — 9/24/10 9:33am Tragically, nothing will likely happen to these murdering War Criminals because Obama and his Justice Department are part of the problem, not the solution. Moving on is equally as criminal. They call it being an accomplice and not prosecuting these people for murder condones what they did. All the death, hideous injuries, illnesses, suffering and people displaced for nothing, not to mention bankrupting two countries. I am ashamed of my country on so many levels these days, but this one is far and away the worst.

    more ▼.Afghanistan was just an excuse to get troops… LockeNessMonster — 9/24/10 9:36am over into the region. I for the life of me at that time could not believe we were sending ground troops. Why risk American lives when we have the technology and arms that we do? Not to mention the cost – that money could have been used in so many more constructive ways to make the US more secure. Not to mention what happended to the Russians with their invasion.|
    No doubt it was just a step to Iraq – a great excuse to send American troops to the region. And nine years later we are still there with Americans dying and millions spent daily while this country crumbles.


    I’ve seen some stuff, man. And some thangs…

    more ▼.It was just like a Horatio Alger Story eroded47095 — 9/24/10 9:37am Not that the man works very hard to make it to the top.

    Just that he gets very lucky and very rich at the same time.

    That’s the official story.

    And it’s even sicker than had Bush worked very hard to make it happen in order to get very rich off killing Iraqis.


    I’m a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?

    more ▼.Stop Beating the Catholics over it eroded47095 — 9/24/10 9:41am Really.

    Even if you are one.

    Just makes you a Judas.

    Catholicism can do no wrong because the Pope is God Incarnate.


    I’m a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?

    more ▼.His Holiness has bigger fish to Fry ricky — 9/24/10 10:25am (although not restricted to Friday anymore).



    GOP support for Serial Adulterers is a Threat to Their Sanctimony on Gay Marriage

    more ▼.All this gnashing ot teeth after the fact won’t do a damn ricky — 9/24/10 10:18am thing to motivate people to go vote in the pot legalization election.


    GOP support for Serial Adulterers is a Threat to Their Sanctimony on Gay Marriage

    more ▼.Same old Same old oldtexan2 — 9/24/10 10:35am Our loss tally in Iraq is at 4500, however how many are so disabled they are in limbo, too hurt to go on with life ? There are worse things than death. What Bush/Cheney cartel has done is beyond despicable. Sending troops with unarmoured vehicles, delaying death benefits to our military. But, what good would come from spending millions to convict them ? And it would take millions, both are so connected they won’t be allowed to fall. Right now, Obama has all he can do, to get America back on course. It makes me angry that conservatives scream about spending, where was this concern in the last 8 years ? Our government is a house that was not maintained and it takes money to get it back in shape.

    more ▼.What will it cost us to NOT prosecute them? savannah43 — 9/24/10 10:51am Our reputation is ruined. We have very little, if any, goodwill left with other nations. We look like idiots. Many of us feel like idiots. The inmates are running the asylum. Corporations, who have all the rights of actual humans, own the asylum. There is so much more, but I’m getting nauseous thinking about it.
    A determined prosecutor from DOJ could burn them down. Easily.

    more ▼.“We work with power where we Truth_Critic — 9/24/10 11:06am “We work with power where we can,” the Family’s leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can’t.” At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast,

    George Herbert Walker Bush
    (1924- ) 41st US President, CIA Director, CFR Director, Trilateralist, Yale Skull & Bones Society
    Date: before Congress on September 11, 1990 (Noted date conflict)
    Source: in a speech Bush entitled “Toward a New World Order”

    The Iraqi leader was given a final warning six weeks ago, Clinton said, when Baghdad promised to cooperate with U.N. inspectors at the last minute just as U.S. warplanes were headed its way.

    Along with Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning, Clinton said.

    2009 (57th Annual NPB) Tony Blair, former Prime Minister of the UK

    PS. It used to be Communists… they call’em terrorists now. Because most live in fear of an invisible-man.


    Study the symptoms not the virus…

    more ▼.It would take more oldtexan2 — 9/24/10 11:10am A determined prosecutor could not do it. These people, the Bushes, Cheneys, and more have more connections to power than you can imagine. The best we can hope for is thinking people, conservative, independents, republicans, democrats will begin to ignore political views and work together to keep the Congresspeople who are speaking out, in office. I mean the Frankens, the Graysons, the Weiners, even Voinivich. There are good people who haven’t been bought but they must get tired of swimming upstream all the time. The public somehow must reward those that actually work to the good of America instead of themselves. Ask yourself, why would someone spend millions to get a job that pays $150,000 ? Power and prestige.

    more ▼.A determined prosecutor COULD do it. savannah43 — 9/24/10 11:24am Especially with the backing of the current administration, or at least without being hindered by it. “Silence is betrayal.” MLK.
    “He that is good for making excuses, is seldom good for anything else.” Benjamin Franklin.
    “Experience isn’t interesting till it begins to repeat itself.; in fact,till it does that, it hardly is experience.” Elizabeth Bowen.
    “The biggest human temptation is to settle for too little.” Thomas Merton. This last one could be the official motto of the current administration. What a shame.

    more ▼.For all of the “duh” critics… karoli — 9/24/10 11:13am
    Yes, it’s a big “duh”. Because we all had the instinct about it, and it fit the neocon agenda. But it is one thing to know it (sort of like “I can’t describe it but I know it when I see it”) and another thing to prove it.

    Whether anything is done about it or any prosecutions never happen, this is solid, hard evidence to put in the face of people you know who think Iraq was somehow related to anything other than greed and ambition.

    Or to put it another way, I suppose I could have read all of those documents and shrugged, said “duh”. And there they’d sit, buried on the Internet in the name of “duh”, dooming those who don’t bother with history to repeat it.

    more ▼.♥ Truth_Critic — 9/24/10 11:24am Thank you karoli, I much prefer facts over faith when the evidence becomes available… afterall I believe that’s pretty much what caused the issue to begin with. IMO


    Study the symptoms not the virus…

    more ▼.Do you finally get it, C&L?? Fat Belly Blues — 9/24/10 11:37am Is the reality starting to sink in?
    8 Months before 9-11, they planning to invade Iraq but need a good “reason”.
    A day before 9-11, Bush signs off on the Afghanistan invasion plan, just waiting for a good “reason”.

    They must just be the luckiest sons a bitches around.

    more ▼.According To Ahmadinejad’s U.N. Speech He Agrees With You: Abbybwood — 9/24/10 11:44am http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100923/ap_on_re_



    “The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.” – Henry Kissinger

    more ▼.if you’re arguing that 9-11 was an inside job… karoli — 9/24/10 11:53am
    ..don’t. As my last line indicates, 9-11 proved to be more of a distraction than an argument for what they were going to do.

    more ▼.I think you can say that 9/11 gogetem — 9/24/10 2:57pm I think you can say that 9/11 was probably more of a distraction to what they wanted to do but you can’t say that 9/11 proved to be a distraction.


    If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?

    more ▼.Downing Street Memo rawkcuf — 9/25/10 7:00am This revelation is just the latest in a series which prove the war mongering nature of the Bush/Cheney administration. One of the first was the “Downing Street Memo” which is an internal message of the British Govt suggesting that Bush was going to fudge the facts in order to do whatever it took to go to war with Iraq.


  3. fm1 on 31 Dec 2008

    Video clip from The Amazing Heresies of Benedict XVI (New Edition)—The most devastating exposé of Benedict XVIs heresies available. It proves that he teaches that Protestants and schismatics dont have to accept the Catholic Faith and the Papacy, that Jesus doesnt have to be seen as the Messiah, and much more. This video is based on a study of 24 of Benedict XVIs books and many of his speeches.

    People & Blogs

    10WiseVirgins on 30 Apr 2011

    The Crypto -Jew is not a Jew. Pope Pius XI was a Jew from his mother’s side, but he was a true Catholic pope. So was St. Libermann and many others.
    Crypto-Jews having a hot hatred for Roman Catholic Church, masquerade themselves as Catholic and work from inside to destroy it. Queen Isabella used to exile then from the Christian Kingdoms.

    A Crypto-Jew is a person who does not believe in Jesus Christ as a Messiah , but with the Synagogue of the Jews waits for Antichrist to come,-as we see numerous time anti-popes praying in the Synagogues for this purpose.

    Presented facts by Historian Yaakov Wise.

    From the Portfolio of Ratzinger and ‘Blessed” John Paul II:

    It is known that in 16th century there were 3 priests detected to be gays-
    by the order of Pope Saint Pius V all three of them were arrested and executed.

    Vatican II: From Freemason John XXIII to Homosexual Paul VI, to Crypto-Jew John Paul II.
    And ‘the cherry on the top of this cake’ : Benedict XVI- a combination of all
    of the above.
    “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.’ Luke 11:23


    Non-profits & Activism




    mhfm1 on 2 Mar 2009


    Video Clip From Why John Paul II was not the Pope– This is one of the most important tapes we have regarding the current apostasy. After the first 15 minutes of a discussion on heresy (material heresy vs. formal heresy, that there have been antipopes, that the Church teaches that a heretic cannot be the pope, etc.) it really gets interesting around the 20-minute mark when it gets into the astounding heresies of John Paul II. We strongly encourage all of our readers to watch this tape throughout. A must see! See John Paul II’s apostasy with all the false religions.

    People & Blogs

    mhfm1 on 4 Mar 2009


    Video Clip from The Amazing Heresies of Paul VI—If you want to see the truth that the post-Vatican II apostasy, the New Mass, etc. were brought in by the Devil to attempt to incorporate Catholics into a non-Catholic counterfeit religion and a counterfeit Church, just take a look at this video and see what Paul VI (the man who brought in the New Mass and Vatican II) actually believed! This video also explains what Paul VI really meant when he said: the smoke of Satan has entered the Church.

    People & Blogs

    mhfm1 on 28 Jan 2009


    Abortion, Rock Music, and Freemasonry Exposed(Final Edition).This video shows:

    – that rock music played backwards contains hidden messages

    – the wicked inner practices of the Freemasonic Lodge

    – that the Freemasons regard Catholicism as their number one enemy

    People & Blogs


    mhfm1 on 8 Feb 2009


    The Communist and Masonic Infiltration of America and the Catholic Church by Dr. James Wardner(Final Edition)—This video shows what Communism really is and how modern day “Catholics” endorse communist and Freemasonic ideas and philosophies which are opposed to Catholic teaching

    News & Politics



  5. damoosebelly on 20 May 2008

    Interesting BBC film concerning the parallel development of modern Islamic radicalism and Neo-conservatism. Details the rise of the latter movement and its masquerade as traditional conservatism to garner support and acquire power. This film also discusses the development of the current Arab political ideology and shows how both movements originated from the same basic philosophy: masses are more malleable when they are living in a constant state of fear.

    News & Politics


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