Lost in a Yemen Jail! … A DB Staffer Speaks About His Long, Strange Trip and the Secret Gulag America Has Built in the Middle East and Africa

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Lost in a Yemen Jail! … A DB Staffer Speaks About His Long, Strange Trip and the Secret Gulag America Has Built in the Middle East and Africa

Wednesday, September 28, 2011 – with Anthony Wile

Coming across the border of Yemen for some reason, a top Daily Bell gnome predictably (you really can’t send them anywhere) attacked a senior Yemen official with gustatory intentions. The ravenous gnome was then taken into custody and remanded to the second-most secure jail in all of Yemen, a political jail complete with dungeons, blindfolds and hundreds of incarcerated supposed al Qaeda prisoners. Foolish gnome! President Saleh’s police state was not created for his nutritional needs!

Daily Bell: We’re going to treat this interview as if we don’t know you or even, for the most part, what happened. So let’s begin with the most important question. Are you really a gnome?

Gnomish Staffer: Some days it feels so.

Daily Bell: What the hell were you doing in Yemen?

Staffer: Crossing over the border in a smuggler’s truck. They smuggle gas from Oman next door where it’s cheaper.

Daily Bell: So this is a true story?

Staffer: You can make up your own mind about the gnome – but the jail part is true. All that I’m going to relate here is the truth as I saw it and recall it. I was held in Yemen in a political jail.

Daily Bell: Yes, you were incarcerated for a month …

Staffer: Seemed longer.

Daily Bell: Where were you taken first?

Staffer: Near the Oman boarder. They questioned me at a secret location.

Daily Bell: Who were “they?”

Staffer: They were President Ali Abdullah Saleh’s secret police. He has a network across the country along with extensive security infrastructure. It includes secret police stations, jails and of course, a truly national force of informers, watchers, police and secret security police.

Daily Bell: Sounds expensive.

Staffer: Well, that’s the point. One might think Yemen is chaotic – and it is. But the security apparatus is functioning with precision.

Daily Bell: Who pays for such an expensive operation?

Staffer: The Americans must be paying for it in some way. It’s an entirely professional operation.

Daily Bell: What did they want from you?

Staffer: Since I had come across the boarder incognito – a mistake I immediately admitted and apologized for – they believed the CIA or some such organization was sponsoring me as a spy. They were asking questions.

Daily Bell: Did you answer?

Staffer: They told me I would be under the authority of Yemen’s laws and regulations. So, I was reluctant. I wanted to speak to the American Embassy first to find out the legality.

Daily Bell: You’re not much for state representation. Did you find your situation ironic?

Staffer: Philosophically, I think government should get out of the way. But when you’re sitting with six unshaven Yemen secret police in dirty robes going through your belongings and threatening you, you tend to want any edge you can get.

Daily Bell: What did they say when you wouldn’t answer their questions?

Staffer: They said they were sending me to Saana to the political jail there and “God help you.”

Daily Bell: Sounds grim. What did you want to do there, anyway?

Staffer: Well, I’ve visited numerous countries’ capitals in the past two years. Caracas, Medellin, Panama City, Montevideo, Nairobi, Muscat and now Saana … Traveling broadens the mind and DB has benefited considerably, in my view, from my journeys. Of course, in Yemen, I didn’t see much after the first day except via a window of an SUV partially obscured by automatic rifles. After they questioned me at the border, I spent the night on a pallet in the local cell in handcuffs. They were going to make me sleep with my hands cuffed behind my back, but I managed to convince them to move the handcuffs to the front.

Daily Bell: Sounds uncomfortable.

Staffer: You try it. I managed to sleep. But that was when I went on a hunger strike. Not that they noticed, or not initially.

Daily Bell: So, off you went to Saana.

Staffer: Yes, one of the oldest and most intriguing cities in the world – with the old city itself built in the mouth of an inactive volcano.

Daily Bell: Wow, a real tourist spot.

Staffer: Funny thing, no one is visiting Yemen these days for the tourism. I didn’t see much of Saana. From the plane, they took me directly to the political prison. I later found out there was one worse version but this one was pretty bad. I spent the night three floors down in a solitary jail cell. I refused food and water, which caused the guards much surprise.

Daily Bell: How were the guards generally?

Staffer: They were young men, very gaunt and just as oppressed as the prisoners in their own way. They were paid US$100 a month and locked into the prison every night, as I understand it. A lot of them choose to run away when they get the chance.

Daily Bell: Are they part of Saleh’s army?

Staffer: Yes, some 500,000 strong but mostly conscripts. If there is a big challenge to Saleh, the soldiers will likely run away. Social stability is not one of Yemen’s strong points at the moment.

Daily Bell: What happened the next morning?

Staffer: They moved me to a group dungeon with others.

Daily Bell: And who were they?

Staffer: Throughout my stay, I was with the most intensely spiritual young men I’ve ever had the privilege to meet. In Islam, you pray with your toes touching. There were no shoes allowed on the dingy carpets. The guards would lock you in and then you would stand up in a row toe to toe and the leader (by acclimation) would recite prayers. During Ramadan, the prayers might take up to an hour. In between, they would read the Koran, chanting to themselves. Some had memorized all or most of the Koran.

Daily Bell: They sound fanatical.

Staffer: No, not fanatical. They were the most generous youngsters you’d ever want to meet. Islam mandates that you share what you have, and they were literally giving me the shirts off their backs because I had been put into my cell without much in the way of clean clothing. They gave me toothpaste and soap and towels. They tried to give me food but I generally stayed on my little hunger strike for most of the month. I found it made the jail manager nervous. He was always trying to get the doctor to take my blood pressure. It was sort of funny, really. I told the doctor once that I had lost about 25 pounds and he translated it into kilograms and started to laugh. He didn’t take it seriously. Others told me if I hadn’t been an American, they wouldn’t have cared at all. People go into comas there from hunger strikes and they just ignore them or pick them up, carry them to the hospital and force feed them. And there were other things I heard about. People who made too much noise were handcuffed and then tazered on their handcuffs – which causes comas as well. And other young people suspected of being al Qaeda were being hung from their hands and forced to stay awake for days at a time.

Daily Bell: How did they handle it?

Staffer: With the resignation of youth. And with religious conviction. There was nothing much to do in jail. They wouldn’t let you have games or pens or paper. So, you read the Koran and prayed.

Daily Bell: Did you read the Koran?

Staffer: It was in Arabic, but I had many good conversations about the Koran and Islam. I was intensely moved by these young people, some of them only 18 or 19, who had been captured and taken to this prison to be interrogated by the Americans who were deciding who is al Qaeda and who is not.

Daily Bell: Did the Americans know about the torture and all the rest?

Staffer: I cannot imagine they did not.

Daily Bell: Did they condone it?

Staffer: The Americans were regular questioners of inmates at that jail. And others as well.

Daily Bell: They were part of the process?

Staffer: They seemed to be, from what I heard.

Daily Bell: So there is an al Qaeda?

Staffer: There is a Jihadist movement, which is more than I was prepared to admit when I went to Yemen. But something is building in the Middle East – assiduously fanned by the West, I might add. It was reconceived by Osama bin Laden, though in my mind he was certainly a CIA-affiliated asset.

Daily Bell: Explain, please …

Staffer: Well … what are the chances that the son of the Bush family’s main business contact in Saudi Arabia – a family that is worth billions – suddenly becomes a fanatical, fundamentalist Muslim and then supposedly blows up the World Trade Towers? Pretty coincidental, I’d say. And there are plenty of stories of bin Laden traveling to the US in the 1990s under the name of Tim Osman to recruit for his cause, a cause apparently sponsored by the CIA. After all, the CIA seemingly was responsible for aggregating the original so-called al Qaeda in the 1980s when they were recruiting young radicals to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. They collected a data base that they called the base – as in al Qaeda. It was a “list.” The CIA seems obviously involved in the inception of al Qaeda, though they deny it strenuously.

Daily Bell: Were you surprised by the number and amount of al Qaeda you met?

Staffer: I was surprised by the signs hanging around the necks that said “al Qaeda.” Just kidding. You would never know who was al Qaeda at that jail and who was not. A very few admitted to being al Qaeda. Most of these young men were simply impoverished, unlucky and deeply religious.

Daily Bell: What distinguishes al Qaeda from others?

Staffer: Apparently, those who might be considered Jihadists – I’m reluctant to use the term al Qaeda – are those who seek a return of the Caliphate to the Middle East. This means a return to the original Sunni Islam tenets of Mohammad, the Messenger. They will do this via a Sura. Six highly esteemed members of society will choose the nation’s leader and he will be responsible for the new Muslim state. Anybody can come there of any religion to live and that person will not be oppressed in any way nor pressured to change his or her religion. Jews especially are highly esteemed in the Koran and set above Christians and even other Muslims.

Daily Bell: That’s a surprising perspective.

Staffer: There’s lots that is surprising about fundamentalist Islam. As we’ve argued at DB, the truth is not being told about what’s going in the Middle East. For instance, Islam – Sunni Islam, anyway – is in many ways the least intrusive religion you could ever belong to. Taxes in the West are above 50 percent, all in all, for many people. Islam has almost no taxes, certainly not an income tax. Un-apostated islam has no central banking, either. Gold and silver are considered money – not fiat paper. The state in many ways basically leaves you alone, though Sharia law is to be administered by Islamic Courts appointed by the leader of the nation.

Daily Bell: Isn’t Sharia law fairly barbaric?

Staffer: It has perhaps been applied in a barbaric way in modern times, but inherently it is not barbaric as it takes up to four male witnesses to get anything done. So, even if you are involved in adultery, you have to be caught in the act by four male Muslims of the appropriate age, and they have to be willing to stand up in an Islamic Court and bear witness to the transgression. And if any one of them has only seen you, say, getting dressed in the bedroom rather than being caught in the act, then that testimony doesn’t count. So the standard of proof to apply the more significant parts of Sharia law come with an immensely high standard.

Daily Bell: What’s the point then?

Staffer: Well, the punishments – lashings and stonings – are fairly significant. They are intended to scare people more than they are intended to be applied, or so people told me. The threat is supposed to keep people in line. But the real threat is religious. Allah knows all of your transgressions and keeps the book of your life. If you are not a good Muslim, you can experience hell fire. An apostate may never go to Heaven with all of its delights.

Daily Bell: What is an apostate?

Staffer: The Jihadists would argue that all of the modern Middle East regimes are apostated – that is, none of them are applying Islam as it ought to be applied. There is not therefore a single Muslim state in the world. Those who believe in a return to the original message of Mohammed want to establish an Islamic state as Israel established a Jewish one.

Daily Bell: But they want to do so violently?

Staffer: Strangely enough, the fundamentalists have been trying to make peace with America for years. In Yemen, there have apparently been numerous suggestions of ceasefires, etc., but the Americans always turn them down.

Daily Bell: You know this for a fact?

Staffer: I was told this independently on numerous occasions.

Daily Bell: What’s the alternative?

Staffer: Well, the alternative is a kind of war. In Abyan Province in the South of Yemen, the Americans are shelling certain urban areas on a daily basis – places where rebellious tribesmen and al Qaeda are said to be. They are sending in Saudi and American planes as well, and at night they are apparently sending in SEALS with night-fighting equipment. This is a significant illegal action. America apparently has numerous troops on the ground on a nightly basis – and yet you read nothing about this is the mainstream press. America is very far gone now, from a truth-telling standpoint. Almost everything reported in the mainstream press in America and even the West is a lie of some sort, or at least a fudge. The purpose is always the same – to promote world government. In fact, the more the Internet tells the truth, the more the mainstream press does not. It’s as if the elite banking families that run the world are trying to counteract the truth with lies and distortions.

Daily Bell: Shouldn’t Congress pass some sort of resolution if the Pentagon is sending troops into harm’s way in Yemen?

Staffer: You would think so. My theory is that with all the wiretapping and general intimidation down in Washington, it takes a very strong Congressman to stand up and speak the truth about anything. And many Congressmen are likely sociopaths of some sort anyway, ones who worked to get elected to line their pockets and not to serve their constituents – as if anything in Washington could be construed as “service.”

Daily Bell: Back to the Yemen strife. What does America hope to accomplish?

Staffer: America and the Saudis want to damp down the fundamentalist movement in Yemen, though in my view it’s one that the Western intelligence agencies bolstered in the first place.

Daily Bell: Why would they do such a thing?

Staffer: Obviously to take away more freedoms in the West. The target on this mostly phony war on terror, in my view, is the West and the middle class. The elites have been after middle class freedoms for over a century. With the war on terror, they have has a reason to escalate considerably. The Patriot Act, with all of its reductions in what was left of freedom in the US, was written before 9/11. During its signing they had the military patrolling the corridors of Congress with guns. Congressmen were intimidated. The situation in America and the West has gotten no better since then. The great families want world government and they are willing to remove any freedoms they need to in order to get it.

Daily Bell: So the war on terror has little to do with al Qaeda?

Staffer: In the prison I was in, people told me over and over that America and Yemen were actually producing radicalized young men with their incarceration policies.

Daily Bell: How did that work?

Staffer: I personally met only one man who claimed to be a legitimate member of al Qaeda in a jail that supposedly was chock full of al Qaeda. The rest were young men, mostly, who had the misfortune of holding somewhat fundamentalist, or at least enthusiastic, views about Islam.

Daily Bell: Thought crimes, in other words.

Staffer: Sure. Some examples. A shopkeeper from Kenya who was taken prisoner some six months ago for speaking to someone who held fundamentalist views 17 years before. He was put in an even worse prison than the one I was in. The worst prison in Yemen, where all the hard-core Jihadists are supposedly locked up. He said it consisted of single, individual cells – it was dungeonlike, in other words – and that you were not let out even to go to the bathroom except occasionally. He said the primary entertainment consisted of sitting on a ratty mattress watching your urine pool in front of you. After several months of this, he was moved to the prison where I was. By then he’d developed severe high blood pressure. It was aggravated by the interrogations. He said he was always being dragged in front of Americans from the embassy and that his questioners included one Asian man, apparently from the CIA, who was always shouting at him that he would spend the rest of his life in prison if he didn’t reveal information that he knew. The trouble was that he was only a shopkeeper and didn’t know anything. His last significant Islamic conversation occurred 17 years ago. He was desperate to get out because he had a business and a family and his business was in ruins after nine months.

Daily Bell: Why didn’t they let him go?

Staffer: Well, this is the sad part. The entire political prison system in Yemen is built on the idea that there are many al Qaeda who need to be identified. Thus, the Americans may pay a bounty for such people – of one sort or another – and the Yemeni authorities are glad to oblige by fueling the charade with innocent people.

Daily Bell: Any other examples?

Staffer: Tons. There was a young Nigerian there with a two wives who had studied at an Islamic center that had been shut down. He himself had no connections to fundamentalist Islam, but when he came to pick up his passports – which the jail had been holding – they arrested him and he’d been there about three months when I met him.

Daily Bell: Others?

Staffer: Two brothers I spent time with, both from Iraq and Yemen. The one brother had gone rabbit hunting with a fellow who expressed some fundamentalist views. The fundamentalist was arrested, though he later escaped. But he mentioned the brother’s name and the brother was picked up and incarcerated. He was an engineer. Later his brother was picked up. His brother was a schoolteacher. Neither apparently had a history of Jihadist associations. But they were eventually sentenced to ten years apiece by the Yemen courts.

Daily Bell: Didn’t they have representation?

Staffer: Perhaps. Who knows? It doesn’t matter much. There are no real laws in Yemen. There is no burden of proof. You can be picked up and interrogated and if you have the wrong associations, for whatever reason, you can be held for years without a trial. This is happening in Saudi Arabia, too, where they will now pick you up on hearsay and then arrest your father and brothers as well – on general principles. The Saudi jails are very nice, I hear, much nicer then the Yemen ones, with clean carpets, TVs on the walls and all the food you can eat. But the end result is even worse. The Saudis will hold you up to five years or more without a trial. There were some Yemenis that had just been released into Yemeni custody and I spoke to them. The Saudis were actually willing to hold them longer but their families came up after five years and made a big fuss, protesting outside of the jail. The Saudis finally let them go.

Daily Bell: Sounds horrible despite the “comforts.”

Staffer: It is entirely evil. We’re gradually returning to the era of Star Chambers and guilty until proven innocent. What makes it more evil in my view is that the West – specifically America – is behind it. The Americans told the Kenyan shopkeeper – or so he told me – that they had numerous jails all over the Middle East and Africa that they controlled and that there was no escape for him. If he was released and returned to Kenya he might find himself in a Kenyan political jail soon enough, also controlled by America.

Daily Bell: Weren’t the CIA and Pentagon pressured to stop building these kinds of jails?

Staffer: You mean rendition centers? That’s what they are. They are places where you have no rights and all judicial systems are suspended. That America still operates them and is still building them is symptomatic of how far the rot has spread. They just built one in Somalia. The American military-industrial complex is entirely out of control. It is only a matter of time before what it is visiting on other countries is visited on America as well. Americans are naïve if they think they can duck their heads into the sand and avoid the sight of what is undoubtedly headed their way. These sorts of profoundly anti-freedom policies are no accident. They are part and parcel of the way those at the top of the American military and intelligence establishment actually think.

Daily Bell: Rendition is supposed to be a thing of the past.

Staffer: I’ve been thinking about that. In Yemen, anyway, the Americans are hiding behind Yemeni so-called justice. Even the two nice people at the American Embassy who came to see me – and I have thanked them several times for the work they did on my behalf – were convinced that they could not interfere with the Yemen judicial system. I voiced my opinion on this several times to them. The Americans are basically running Yemen, not the Yemenis, I insisted.

Daily Bell: Did they respond?

Staffer: Actually, no. They just switched the subject. Or stared. It’s not an issue that invites rational discussion.

Daily Bell: How many times did you see them?

Staffer: Only twice for about an hour altogether in about a month’s time. They said they were working behind the scenes and I believe them. I got out in a month. Some others are still waiting to leave after years – and these individuals are the ones that have been told they will be going. I was lucky. Also, I was from America and that helped enormously. Saleh’s entire government is scared of Americans from what I can tell.

Daily Bell: Saleh’s not there, though.

Staffer: Saleh was blown up, perhaps by the Americans, and now he’s in Saudi Arabia and who knows if he is coming back. The Saudis communicate what they wish strategically and then the Americans decide whether or not to implement it. That’s how it appears to work.

Daily Bell: Do you have any proof the Americans are running Yemen?

Staffer: There was one fellow I spoke to – or at least heard about from several others – who was called ‘the Bedouin.’ He was asked by Saleh five years ago to make peace with the fundamentalists. One of his brothers apparently had something to do with blowing up the Hood. Anyway, he had significant contacts. He started to reach out to about five fundamentalist leaders – all dead now – and then the CIA flew a fellow over from Washington, DC to speak to him.

Daily Bell: What did he say?

Staffer: He told the Bedouin that he could not make peace with the five fundamentalists he was speaking to. There were larger issues that had to be taken into account. Anyway, the Bedouin refused and the CIA man said he would have to stay in jail until he reconsidered. The Bedouin appealed to Saleh, and Saleh was extremely apologetic, as he should have been. But he told the Bedouin that there was nothing he could do. If the Americans wanted to remand the Bedouin to jail, off he would go. Years later, he’s still in jail and still refusing to cooperate with the CIA. He has a TV in his cell as a consolation and can see visitors in the morning. He can also move about certain portions of the jail at will. But he’s still a prisoner because he wouldn’t cooperate with the CIA. The CiA told him, by the way, that they would build him up in the press and he would become a very big man, a hero, if he cooperated with them.

Daily Bell: Did he believe that?

Staffer: I don’t know. But he is more than a little peeved at the Americans and at the CIA. The larger issue is the control that America asserts – not just in Yemen. I figured out finally this is going on all over the Middle East and Africa – the United Arab Emirates, Bharain, Oman, Kenya, Nigeria, Niger, now Libya. The Americans and NATO – the West, in other words, at the behest of the major Western banking families – have built a virtual Gulag throughout the region. They hide behind the local police as they do in Yemen and this provides them with deniability. Nonetheless, the Americans in particular have assiduously set up a rights-free Gulag of sorts. There are thousands, tens of thousands, of innocent young men being picked up in this dragnet every year who’ve done nothing wrong except perhaps to be enthusiastically spiritual and to focus closely on becoming good Muslims.

Daily Bell: This must be a costly endeavor, when you think about it.

Staffer: It is costly and it’s just plain weird. The American taxpayer has footed the bill for this transcontinental Gulag and it runs into the billions, perhaps hundreds of billions, every year. It’s scooping young, innocent men off the sidewalk and returning them years later as embittered enemies of the West. It’s a virtual campaign to radicalize the youth of Islam and it’s no coincidence, in my view. The great banking families want radical Islam. They want a war between East and West, at least a cold war if not a hot one. Again, it’s part of building world government. The more chaos and hate that’s being spread, the more you need the trans-national organizations such as the IMF, World Court and UN. The globalists’ solutions have all been constructed. Now you just need enough problems to activate them.

Daily Bell: Do you think it will come to that?

Staffer: Well … let’s look at the realities. The dictators being deposed in the Middle East are all secular. Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Ben Ali of Tunisia, Muammar Gaddafi of Libya – all of them are non-Islamic types. And what will come about now? Probably the Muslim Brotherhood in one way or another. The Brotherhood is apparently penetrated and to a degree controlled by the CIA. So you have the spectacle of the West actively deposing secularists in order to replace them with controllable Muslim entities. Of course, it won’t be portrayed that way in the West. The Muslim Brotherhood will be painted as a radical sect that poses an immediate danger to the West.

Daily Bell: But it won’t?

Staffer: Not really in my opinion. Also, the Islamist-type countries may be set against the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries – Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates. Jordan and Morocco just applied to the GCC. If America won’t stand for yet another Middle East war, you can always have one by proxy. America and NATO will control both sides from afar. This is no idle hypothesis. I’m told you can find white papers written on this subject from several prestigious Middle Eastern think tanks. That’s how they operate. They write down what’s coming up in the next few years. That way they can’t be accused of conspiracy. If something happens, it seems more or less predictable because it HAS been predicted.

Daily Bell: OK, an interesting supposition anyway. But what about al Qaeda?

Staffer: Al Qaeda in Yemen, especially, provides us with an uncertain situation. At this point one could argue that al Qaeda has served its purpose. The West no longer wants a Jihadist movement when it can be replaced with something a good deal more controllable – the Muslim Brotherhood, which advocates democratic elections unlike al Qaeda. On the other hand, the form of Islam that al Qaeda advocates is growing in popularity in the Middle East. There are fundamentalists throughout Yemen, in numerous cities, and in Saudi Arabia as well, or so I was told. What the West may have created will not be easily put back to sleep. It is very hard to say, especially when it comes to Yemen, which has 30 unruly tribes and a Southern region that wants to secede.

Daily Bell: If you had to sum up this incident in your life how would you do it?

Staffer: I tend to be a fairly insular person. Writing for DB – especially as many articles and other kinds of writing as I do – I don’t get out a lot even when I travel. I’ve experienced a great deal but mostly by accident on my travels. I certainly wouldn’t have spent time in a Yemen jail at the expense of my writing if I could help it. I’m about to post two libertarian fiction books to Kindle and there are many other things going on my life. You, Anthony Wile, are to be congratulated for stepping up and actually raising the bar on the Bell’s writing and analysis. But it would never have been my choice to stop writing for a month after having written every day for the past 45 years. I also want to thank you for working tirelessly to get me out. I know without your efforts I would still be there.

Daily Bell: We weren’t going to leave you there.

Staffer: Well, thanks. I knew you were working hard on my behalf and it was very comforting. Having said that, my experience in the Yemen political prison opened my eyes more fully to the vastness of Western manipulations being perpetrated on the Middle East and actually the entire world. The charade of Muslim terrorism has morphed into an entire Gulag in which young men are being dragooned into what is essentially a work of fiction.

Daily Bell: You see it as a kind of directed history …

Staffer: There is increasingly little doubt in my mind that for at least the past 100-200 years the world has experienced the fullness of directed history. No single event is what it seems; no explanation suffices for the wars, depressions and political and economic depredations that the world suffers from. Every disaster, every challenge, seems to bring world government closer. It’s increasingly obvious. They’re not even trying to hide it. Western military and intelligence agencies are fully behind these manipulations, in my view. The great banking families are directing them. The hope for the world, as we’ve pointed out time and again, is the Internet Reformation, for the truth-telling of the Internet is blowing up power elite memes as fast as they can be implemented.

Daily Bell: Did those in the prison see it this way as well, at least as concerning Islam and the war on terror?

Staffer: To a large degree, yes, though many strangely enough were convinced of the leadership of bin Laden, etc. This was confusing to me until I realized that those at the top of a controlled war needn’t share their views with the rank and file. They go through the motions and those beneath tend to believe what they’re told. The Middle East actually has a history of this sort of treachery going back to the Persian Hashshashin movement.

Daily Bell: Any final thoughts?

Staffer: Just that I was incredibly moved by the young people I met who were so generous and kind in the face of adversity. They named me Jonah after Jonah and the whale – the whale being the jail. This is the sort of metaphorical plane on which their minds worked. They knew nothing of rock and roll. They sing and chant the Koran, which is one of the great works of literature of all time. Thus, these young people were steeped in the metaphor of classical literature. Where their peers in the West were singing along to Britney Spears, these young people were speaking and thinking within the ambit of a much different perspective. It was like living among young men who saw the world through the eyes of, say, Shakespeare, a truly unusual experience, like living within a real-life anachronism. The nobility of their morality and the greatness of its expression was a kind of out-of-body experience for me. It also made me understand how so many young people can blow themselves up when facing an enemy. Between praying five times a day and generally being bathed in this resonant, classical expression of the Koran, one’s socialization becomes entirely focused on the Islamic message. If Islam demands a blood sacrifice, such people will provide it. Their socialization will support it.

Daily Bell: It sounds quite intense. Before we let you go, we need to ask you how you were finally released.

Staffer: They called me out to have me take an inventory of my possessions. Usually they would blindfold you and handcuff you for interrogation purposes. But this time, they let me walk through the jail in a very relaxed way. That night they drove me to the airport in an SUV just the way I came in. A young man from the American Embassy was waiting there for me and filled me in on my release and where I was headed – thanks in large part to your efforts. Then I got on a plane and left Yemen behind.

Daily Bell: Did you unwind on the plane?

Staffer: I asked for a scotch.

Daily Bell: Did you get it?

Staffer: No. They weren’t serving liquor.

Daily Bell: It’s quite a story. Thanks for presenting it. Don’t do it again.

Staffer: I didn’t intend to do it the first time. However, I would like to dedicate this interview to the young men who were so kind to me and are unlawfully incarcerated in such jails throughout the Middle East and Africa, often apparently with American support – financial and otherwise. It should end; it must end.

Well, this has been quite a month. But our prodigal gnome has returned and he has quite a story to tell as you can see. We hope you enjoyed it – or were at least moved by it and the serious message that it conveyed.

The point being made is a profound one; what is being visited on the Middle East will not long be confined to that area. What is being done there will soon be visited on the West itself. There is no use fooling one’s self about this.

The profound illegality and evil that is being visited on the Middle East and Africa will soon find a firm foothold in the West if its march is not radically slowed or even halted. The war on terror is being used as a way to erode Western freedoms, some of which go back centuries.

We hope the alternative ‘Net press continues to raise the alarm about these and other such issues. There is no alternative. These issues must be raised and addressed, preferably on a daily basis. What is going on is wrong. No amount of justification can make it right.

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Posted by lingoguy on 10/21/11 05:07 PM

Regarding Islam – There are always two sides to any story, and someone who gets the story from highly enthusiastic inmates is bound to pay a price for his ignorance. Despite our anger over elites of all countries, we must learn about Islam beyond the jail cell.

Ask the women about what these young men say and see if you think about Islam the same way. Islam is different things to Muslims – depending on which of the hadiths you believe to be genuine. But one thing is certain, it is not the tolerant religion you seem to agree it is.

Learn the truth and then you will gain my respect.

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Right, a religion that encompasses 1.2 billion people, is the largest in the world and draws much of its heritage and belief structure from Christian texts is not a tolerant one. Which hadiths are you talking about, weak, strong, etc?

You are sure this particular DB reporter was simply overwhelmed by an experience with “highly enthusiastic inmates.” What an insult. Some of these young men had been incarcerated without trial for three or four years or even five years.

As far as women go, people live within their cultures. Ask American or British women how they like working two dead-end jobs and sending their children off to daycare centers at the crack of dawn because the Western central banking economy is dysfunctional and is in the process of robbing an entire generation of an employment heritage. Tend to the speck in your own eye.

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Pretty funny, thanks.

Posted by amanfromMars on 09/04/11 10:54 AM

Posted by speedygonzales on 08/30/11 11:44 PM
Staffer: There is increasingly little doubt in my mind that for at least the past 100-200 years the world has experienced the fullness of directed history. No single event is what it seems; no explanation suffices for the wars, depressions and political and economic depredations that the world suffers from. Every disaster, every challenge, seems to bring world government closer. It’s increasingly obvious. They’re not even trying to hide it. Western military and intelligence agencies are fully behind these manipulations, in my view. The great banking families are directing them. The hope for the world, as we’ve pointed out time and again, is the Internet Reformation, for the truth-telling of the Internet is blowing up power elite memes as fast as they can be implemented.

Social theme: Education.

The real motivation behind the General Education Board, however, was perhaps best expressed in the Board’s Occasional Letter No. 1, written by Gates:

In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding bands. The present education conventions fade from their minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply.

The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are. So we will organize our children and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way, in the homes, in the shops and on the farm.

The obvious elitist and racist approach (common to all eugenic and genetic theories of science and psychology) rears it’s ugly head in the above quote (in red) from the Board’s Occasional Letter No. 1, written by Gates. The aim at “social control” was clear and no attempt made to conceal it. They have since modified their approach in public dissemination and hide this viewpoint. The aim of “education” was not intellectual or to make someone the best they could be. The aim is social manipulation and control. That has continued to be the aim of “public education”.

Traditional financial conspiracy theories place John D. Rockefeller as a primary scoundrel. It seems while he may have been an intensely greedy and money-hunger fellow, the actual plans and actions to manipulate entire societies were initiated by others who placed themselves close to the Rockefeller holdings which enabled them to use these funds for their own specific interests.

Apparently John D. simply liked making money to the point of obsession. It would be false to say he was the mastermind of international intrigue and deception. But it wouldn’t be false to say the Rockefeller MONEY has been used in various ways to forward social and global control through economics, foundations, the United Nations, universities, banking, industry, medicine, and of course, education, psychology and psychiatry.

The Rockefeller money enabled degraded, destructive and false psychological theories to expand and heavily influence many major colleges and universities, the entire educational approach from grade school through college, educational foundations and various major teaching organizations. The same money was later used to support, promote and help expand German medicine in the United States which directly caused the demise of homeopathy, chiropractic and naturopathy. (chapter 8)

It has never been true that there was anything inherently “right”, “correct”, “scientifically legitimate”, “valid” or “beneficial” about the ideas and practices Rockefeller’s money supported. The only concern was, did it help Standard Oil’s PR and expand profits. Modern psychology, psychiatry, medical approaches such as surgery and drugs, cancer treatments, and educational methods largely exist because there was an almost unlimited amount of money to support their promotion and expansion. Their existence today has VERY LITTLE to do with truth, legitimate “science”, any actual inherent validity or effectiveness to the theories and methods involved. This is sad, but very true.

It is not incorrect to say that a major segment of today’s modern institutions exist, NOT because of honest study and concern for the truth in the respective fields, but because Rockefeller’s money was available at their inception to fund incredible PR campaigns, establish “professional” publications and societies, steam roller over any competition (regardless of their legitimacy or value), and continue selling the ideas until accepted and institutionalized within the basic fabric of society. This is the true origin of most of modern medicine, psychology, psychiatry, sociology, banking, education, educational research foundations, politics, political research foundations, and on and on. Scary, huh?

Welcome to the 21st century!

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What is Rockefeller money funding now … . to lead with something new and betatesting old systems’ security protocols/exploiting possibilities with revised use of attractive vulnerabilities.

IARPA Virtual Reality ProgramMING?

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Posted by speedygonzales on 08/30/11 11:44 PM

Posted by amanfromMars on 08/29/11 10:33 PM
“The point being made is a profound one; what is being visited on the Middle East will not long be confined to that area. What is being done there will soon be visited on the West itself. There is no use fooling one’s self about this.” … .. Daily Bell After Thought

Quite so, and that was a wonderful tale, DB, and far better than anything thought real and currently presented and certainly surely worthy of Langley and Fort Meade attention and jointed Hashshashin development, for it has cosmic majic potential in deed, indeed. In fact, a great game changer no less, for the West should they have GNOME SMARTs for the Live Operational Virtual Environments of Reality.

The danger of fooling oneself is that one ends up being a fool fooling others, but who are not fools and who have much smarter tools … …

[blockquote] Sounds like New America’s Brian Fishman is an Al Qaeda operative and certain fanatic of dumb war games against smarter enemies with better beta and virtual communications systems.

Grow up, Brian, there’s a good chap, things have moved on and you are compromising home fields and threatening to expose US credibility to global ridicule and catastrophic base meme deconstruct.

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Staffer: There is increasingly little doubt in my mind that for at least the past 100-200 years the world has experienced the fullness of directed history. No single event is what it seems; no explanation suffices for the wars, depressions and political and economic depredations that the world suffers from. Every disaster, every challenge, seems to bring world government closer. It’s increasingly obvious. They’re not even trying to hide it. Western military and intelligence agencies are fully behind these manipulations, in my view. The great banking families are directing them. The hope for the world, as we’ve pointed out time and again, is the Internet Reformation, for the truth-telling of the Internet is blowing up power elite memes as fast as they can be implemented.

Social theme: Education.

The real motivation behind the General Education Board, however, was perhaps best expressed in the Board’s Occasional Letter No. 1, written by Gates:

In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding bands. The present education conventions fade from their minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply.

The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are. So we will organize our children and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way, in the homes, in the shops and on the farm.

The obvious elitist and racist approach (common to all eugenic and genetic theories of science and psychology) rears it’s ugly head in the above quote (in red) from the Board’s Occasional Letter No. 1, written by Gates. The aim at “social control” was clear and no attempt made to conceal it. They have since modified their approach in public dissemination and hide this viewpoint. The aim of “education” was not intellectual or to make someone the best they could be. The aim is social manipulation and control. That has continued to be the aim of “public education”.

Traditional financial conspiracy theories place John D. Rockefeller as a primary scoundrel. It seems while he may have been an intensely greedy and money-hunger fellow, the actual plans and actions to manipulate entire societies were initiated by others who placed themselves close to the Rockefeller holdings which enabled them to use these funds for their own specific interests.

Apparently John D. simply liked making money to the point of obsession. It would be false to say he was the mastermind of international intrigue and deception. But it wouldn’t be false to say the Rockefeller MONEY has been used in various ways to forward social and global control through economics, foundations, the United Nations, universities, banking, industry, medicine, and of course, education, psychology and psychiatry.

The Rockefeller money enabled degraded, destructive and false psychological theories to expand and heavily influence many major colleges and universities, the entire educational approach from grade school through college, educational foundations and various major teaching organizations. The same money was later used to support, promote and help expand German medicine in the United States which directly caused the demise of homeopathy, chiropractic and naturopathy. (chapter 8)

It has never been true that there was anything inherently “right”, “correct”, “scientifically legitimate”, “valid” or “beneficial” about the ideas and practices Rockefeller’s money supported. The only concern was, did it help Standard Oil’s PR and expand profits. Modern psychology, psychiatry, medical approaches such as surgery and drugs, cancer treatments, and educational methods largely exist because there was an almost unlimited amount of money to support their promotion and expansion. Their existence today has VERY LITTLE to do with truth, legitimate “science”, any actual inherent validity or effectiveness to the theories and methods involved. This is sad, but very true.

It is not incorrect to say that a major segment of today’s modern institutions exist, NOT because of honest study and concern for the truth in the respective fields, but because Rockefeller’s money was available at their inception to fund incredible PR campaigns, establish “professional” publications and societies, steam roller over any competition (regardless of their legitimacy or value), and continue selling the ideas until accepted and institutionalized within the basic fabric of society. This is the true origin of most of modern medicine, psychology, psychiatry, sociology, banking, education, educational research foundations, politics, political research foundations, and on and on. Scary, huh?

Welcome to the 21st century!

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Posted by amanfromMars on 08/29/11 10:33 PM

“The point being made is a profound one; what is being visited on the Middle East will not long be confined to that area. What is being done there will soon be visited on the West itself. There is no use fooling one’s self about this.” … .. Daily Bell After Thought

Quite so, and that was a wonderful tale, DB, and far better than anything thought real and currently presented and certainly surely worthy of Langley and Fort Meade attention and jointed Hashshashin development, for it has cosmic majic potential in deed, indeed. In fact, a great game changer no less, for the West should they have GNOME SMARTs for the Live Operational Virtual Environments of Reality.

The danger of fooling oneself is that one ends up being a fool fooling others, but who are not fools and who have much smarter tools … …

[blockquote] Sounds like New America’s Brian Fishman is an Al Qaeda operative and certain fanatic of dumb war games against smarter enemies with better beta and virtual communications systems.

Grow up, Brian, there’s a good chap, things have moved on and you are compromising home fields and threatening to expose US credibility to global ridicule and catastrophic base meme deconstruct.

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Posted by Summer on 08/29/11 04:44 PM

Posted by Omar on 08/29/11 05:24 AM
You’ve never heard this view because it is from the Ahmadi sect, a sect completely disconnected from Islam, as the writer mentions. It is essentially a cult that has ignored the seal of the prophet and the basic pillars of Islam for the sake of their leader who claimed to be a prophet himself. There is a reason they are in the minority and are not recognized. It can be compared to the Nation of Islam, when Elijah Muhammad claimed to be a prophet and essentially rewrote vast portions of the religion. Until Farrakhan (if I remember correctly) renounced Elijah Muhammad as a prophet, they were not accepted into the fold.

Again, as the writer rightly mentions, the Ahmadis are not part of Islam. Therefore his commentary is about a completely different religion. He has no connection to Islam in any way, shape, or form. He is not Sunni Muslim, and his views need not conform to Islamic principles because his religion is something separate and independent of Islam.

Well, you’ve proved my point. Your posture towards the prophesised Messianic Islamic movement – Ahmadiyya Islam – is identical to that of the Jews towards Jesus.

You seem to hold some major contradictions with the Holy Prophet – he gave the definitive definition of a Muslim – *Anyone* who believes/declares the Kalima. He said anyone who declares someone who claims to be a Muslim a non-Muslim is himself a non-Muslim. God is the sole arbiter in matters of conscience.

The term ‘Seal of the Prophets’ (Khataman: seal. Nabeeyeen: Prophets) means the pinnacle of prophet-hood. The word Khatam is used by the Prophet Muhammad to describe Ali (the fourth Caliph) as: *Khatamul* Aulia (meaning the *best*/pinnacle of those who are God’s friends – not the last).

Ayesha the noble wife of the Prophet said: ‘Say he is the Seal of the Prophets but do not say that there is no prophet after him’ (Takmala Majmaul Bihar, p. 88) – meaning after him prophets must come under his dispensation, being subordinate to the Quran. Furthermore, if “the seal of the prophets” (Khataman Nabeeyeen) meant that there would be no more prophets then how could the Holy Prophet *himself* prophesise that a Messiah and Mahdi would come after him, in the latter days?

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Posted by David_Robertson on 08/29/11 03:57 PM

Posted by Frank on 08/29/11 11:16 AM
Thank you for the extended comments.

Yes, I (and another) were off the mark on Stockholm Syndrome: “In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them.” Yet I suspect the stress of the captivity had an effect (more by fellow captives, not by the captors).

As for the historic relationships between Islam & other non-believers in Islamic nations, I would encourage others to read books such as “From Time Immemorial” which quotes original source historical records regarding the treatment of unbelievers in those areas all the way from the onset of Islam down to the present. There is a reason for that treatment.

There are other books that are worth reading Frank. I have read “From Time Immemorial” and at one time I bought into the Israel story line which this book follows. However i have done extensive reading on the subject since then and I have changed my view of the book and the situation in Israel.

Two books I would recommend to you to balance the equation would be “Israeli Exceptionalism: The Destabilizing Logic of Zionism” by M.Shahid Alam Click to view link and “Cross of Bethlehem” by Ro’i Tov Click to view link

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Posted by Summer on 08/29/11 03:53 PM

Posted by Frank on 08/28/11 05:21 PM
“Anybody can come there of any religion to live and that person will not be oppressed in any way nor pressured to change his or her religion. Jews especially are highly esteemed in the Koran and set above Christians and even other Muslims.”

Not true. The Koran does at times speak highly of the “people of the book [Bible]”… Jews & Christians. But at other times it speaks in very hostile terms of Jews & Christians. This is because at the beginning when Mohammed was first getting his revelations (he wanted to turn the pagan arabs towards the true One God) he saw them as allies and people who might accept him as a prophet of Allah.

But his revelations, although 75% based upon the Bible, often contradict the Bible. The Jews & Christians therefore rejected him as a prophet and as his influence & power grew, he turned bitterly against them & his later “revelations” became very hostile against all who opposed him as God’s prophet. [Mohammed explained the contradictions between the Koran & the Bible as the Bible had been corrupted over time & his new revelations were more accurate.]

Not only his revelations turned against the Jews & Christians, but he himself ordered them slaughtered. Since the Koran has multiple contradictions (such as verses both in favor of & against Jews, Christians & other unbelievers), the rule to follow in Islam is to obey the latest revelations, as they were, in effect, Allah amending something he had previously said.

And yes, Jews & Christians can live in an Islamic regime, but in a second class “dhimmi” status which involves, among other things, a special unbelievers tax. No, they are not equal.

Frankly, I gave up reading this article about half way through. It does expose some interesting facts, but this gnome is very misguided & a 9/11 conspiracy believer. Yes, the Power Elite are using this vague “War on Terror” to their advantage to push for a One World Order, but no, the CIA or other American intelligence agencies didn’t set up OBL & al Queda to do their 9/11 attack.

Read the Koran & about the life of Mohammed. Then read the Bible (which also talks about Jesus the Messiah). Quite a contrast between the two books & between the life of Mohammed & life of Jesus!

Mohammed had many, many sins that included adultery, murder, robbery, deceitfulness, pedophelia, etc. Mohammed spread his religion by the sword.

Nobody ever proved Jesus to have committed a single sin. Christianity was founded upon the blood of Jesus & was spread by the blood of the martyrs.

Yes, people who call themselves Christian have committed many sins. That is not the point. Look at what Mohammed said & did & compare that with what the Messiah said & did.

And, yes, this seems to be a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

The Quran has done the Bible a great service by making evident those portions of the Bible that are ‘original’ and those that are later interpolations (see the case of the very early copy of the Bible found under a monastery that had whole portions of Matthew missing – demonstrating that they were added later to give weight to the erroneous concepts of trinity and the sonship of Jesus).

The Quran makes clear that portions of the Bible attributing sin to prophets are interpolation and an affront to God’s true messengers’ memories. Islam gives all prophets great status, as ones who never committed any ‘wrong’ (sin is *intentional* wrongdoing). The Quran it does not need to denegrate other prophets in order to lend weight to the excellence of Islam. Unfortunately, some need to deride faiths of others in order to try to elevate their own?

Your vile accusations about the Holy Prophet Muhammad are absolutely false. I re-iterate: why must people denigrate prophets in order to gain satisfaction in their own beliefs?! It is high time for Westerners to read Islam from scholarly Islamic perspectives rather than from elite-sponsored pseudo-Christians, Orientalists (sponsored by colonialist powers with an interest to deride those whom they wished to command over), or many other elite funded corrupters; the time is now – internet!

If I were to read about Jesus and Christianity from their worst enemies should I find a true picture? Certainly not.

An accurate study of the truth of Islamic history (not from Western Orientalists) is here:

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Muhammad did not spread ‘Islam by the sword’, although this a thoroughly embedded cliché/meme in the minds of Westerners. Later, after the Rashidin Caliphate, the Islamic Empire did have political conquests, even then the majority of converts were voluntary; as Islam was seen as a symbol of advancement, morality and a progressive and sophisticated mode of living.

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Posted by Frank on 08/29/11 11:16 AM

Thank you for the extended comments.

Yes, I (and another) were off the mark on Stockholm Syndrome: “In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them.” Yet I suspect the stress of the captivity had an effect (more by fellow captives, not by the captors).

As for the historic relationships between Islam & other non-believers in Islamic nations, I would encourage others to read books such as “From Time Immemorial” which quotes original source historical records regarding the treatment of unbelievers in those areas all the way from the onset of Islam down to the present. There is a reason for that treatment.

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Posted by EntropyAnn on 08/29/11 10:36 AM

It’s certainly nice to see that our confounded gnome has returned mostly unharmed to us, given the gravity of the situation he found himself in. I’d be interested in seeing a time table on when these sorts of things are likely to find themselves added to the back-drop of life in the United States. While it’s best that freedom minded people that want to avoid the dragnet get out sooner rather than later, some idea of how quickly things will proceed in the months and years to come would be of benefit to many that read this site while still retaining a healthy bit of skepticism.

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Posted by Omar on 08/29/11 05:24 AM

Posted by Summer on 08/28/11 05:13 PM
DB: ‘Christ is NOT a false prophet. He is one of the messengers of Allah is to return before Judgement Day to fight the Beast for 40 days and nights.’

The Quranic and Biblical type prophecies about the return of the prophet Jesus were historically understood by the prophets as a metaphorical indicator to the advent of one in the same mould with a similar spiritual mission.

The same was the case with Jesus himself – The Old Testament prophesised that Elijah would return on a fiery chariot to herald the coming of the messiah but Jesus explained to his detractors and deniers that this prophecy referred to John the Baptist, not Elijah himself who was long dead.

Where the Bible makes prophecies about the second advent of Jesus, the Quran and the Hadith elaborate. It is said that after the Holy Prophet Muhammad and his righteous four caliphs, the religion of Islam would decline in spite of the prophet’s lasting legacy of spirituality and rationality which would propel the Muslims to ever greater material prosperity and scientific progress.

The caliphate would be reduced to a mere kingship. The Quran warned that temporal power would pass from them to others to the West. Just as the Messiah of Moses came 1400 years after him, so, it was prophesised that 1400 after Muhammad, his messiah would appear and would be termed ‘Jesus’ to denote his similarity in mission and significance. It is now 1432 in the Islamic calendar – it is inconceivable for Muslims that a prophecy hasn’t been fulfilled. The question is then where is the Messiah?

At the time of the second coming of Jesus, Gog and Magog (Capitalist and Communist superpowers) would be let loose on the world and would cause much tumult and suffering but would wither away. The antichrist (Dajjal) would also appear (colonialist pseudo-Christian powers such as the British Empire and the contemporary Anglo-American alliance).

Jesus 2 (the Messiah of Muhammad who unified all faiths as one and the same of different points in the evolutionary line of religion) would ‘break the cross and kill the swine’ meaning that this contemporary reformer would successfully counter and destroy the pseudo-Christian philosophy of Trinity and concept of the Sonship of Christ; and end immoral and undesirable practices that God has deemed as ‘haram’ or wrong, that would have held sway since the Council of Nicea after Jesus’ departure and would halt the negative moral influence of global materialism.

Hadith: A Persian was sitting among us. The Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman (the Persian) and said: If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from among these would surely find it. (Bukhari).),

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a prophet of Persian decent, appeared in India (an occupied territory of the British empire) at a time when the Muslims of India were expecting a Messiah to lead them in a ‘Jihad’ to throw off the yoke of colonial British Rule just as Jesus appeared in an occupied territory of the Roman Empire with the same expectation from the Jews. This second Jesus counselled (in 1891, Islamic Calendar – 1308-1309) the Muslims of the world and those of India in particular that Islam did not permit a Jihad against the British if the British permitted freedom of Religious expression.

This echoed the first Jesus who picked up the coin and said to the Jews ‘Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and render to God what is God’s’. In this way, both made a clear distinction between religious belief and political affiliations. Both were pilloried and persecuted for this belief – both were rejected by the zealots and militants. When Jesus is purported to have died all but twelve Jews rejected him and he was labelled an imposter and heretic by his ‘own’ – The same is the case for Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (Jesus 2). The community that he established is also a minority and is also ostracised and persecuted.

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Eventually, the Romans lost patience with the restive Jews who rejected Jesus’ counsel and destroyed them by sacking the temples. Unfortunately, the same is now the case with those who did not accept the counsel of the second Jesus – Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran vs. Iraq etc…

Question: If we lived in Rome 100 years after Jesus, would we be aware of the claims of a Messiah in a backwater of the empire born to an ‘inferior people’? It took 300 years for the Romans to recognise Jesus. The Second Jesus also appeared among an ‘inferior people’ in a backwater of the Colonial empire 100 years ago. A ‘civilised’ Roman would not contemplate receiving divine guidance from a Jew in the same way a ‘civilised’ European would not give an Indian prophet a second glance.

To summarise the Islamic position (in my view) – ‘Jesus’ did appear again and the reformation has begun. The Fifth Caliph of the Promised Messiah lives in London (Rome of the British Empire).

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You’ve never heard this view because it is from the Ahmadi sect, a sect completely disconnected from Islam, as the writer mentions. It is essentially a cult that has ignored the seal of the prophet and the basic pillars of Islam for the sake of their leader who claimed to be a prophet himself. There is a reason they are in the minority and are not recognized. It can be compared to the Nation of Islam, when Elijah Muhammad claimed to be a prophet and essentially rewrote vast portions of the religion. Until Farrakhan (if I remember correctly) renounced Elijah Muhammad as a prophet, they were not accepted into the fold.

Again, as the writer rightly mentions, the Ahmadis are not part of Islam. Therefore his commentary is about a completely different religion. He has no connection to Islam in any way, shape, or form. He is not Sunni Muslim, and his views need not conform to Islamic principles because his religion is something separate and independent of Islam.

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Posted by clark on 08/29/11 02:40 AM

DB asked, “We’re speaking of fluoride toothpaste?”

Slightly light hearted, but yes.

“… the side effects of swallowing trace amounts of fluoride every day are still open to question. “There hasn’t been a single study to show that exposure over a lifetime is safe,”” – Dr. Limeback

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Of course no one is forcing you to use it, but the worse thing is, a neighbor/friend/do-gooder who thinks you owe them something and never lets you forget it.

It’s been a long time since I was around them closely, but among the poor, there’s a saying along the lines of, “We don’t need your charity” even though they might have the need of it.

They said that for all sorts of reasons. One of them was, there’s nothing (almost) worse than a neighbor/friend/do-gooder lording it over you endlessly how they helped you out.

I suspect that’s what the Anglo-power Elite wish to do to the heathen Afrikaners and M.E. inhabitants (as they see them) in regards to giving them “democracy” and all that.

Whatever the case, the creation and running of those gulags is a really bad thing, brought about by some really bad People, imho. According to my American upbringing, they are the worst kind of People. But I guess I’ve become old fashioned or something?

Like it matters, “The squids… don’t care about flouride”: video
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Flouride in water for babies? And on it goes:

DAILY SIN: RINSING AFTER BRUSHING TEETH

Fight the urge to rinse after cleaning your teeth, says London dentist Dr Phil Stemmer, from The Fresh Breath Centre in London.

‘Rinsing washes away the protective flouride coating left by the toothpaste, which would otherwise add hours of protection.

‘I try to avoid drinking any fluids for at least half an hour after brushing – it’s a strange sensation at first, but you quickly get used to it.

‘And I don’t even wet my toothbrush under the tap before brushing as this can dilute the effect of the toothpaste. There’s plenty of moisture in your mouth without adding excess water.’

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Sigh.

At least this was funny, DB wrote, “Tina Brown has done a great job with Newsweek, we hear. We recommend it to you.”

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Posted by Kristen on 08/28/11 08:07 PM

Thank you Anthony Wile and DB Staffer for bringing us this informative and chilling eye-witness account. I’m sure it must have been quite a shock for the gnome to find himself, unwittingly, in the middle of an incredible investigative journalism event.

For me, it confirms much of what I had already guessed from bits and pieces I’ve picked up here and at other alternative sites. Although the scope and reach is beyond what I had imagined. It’s as if the elite are kicking their plans into high gear. It is truly disturbing and wrong that this is going on. Hopefully, the more the truth gets out, as with this account, people will wake up before it’s too late.

I’m glad to hear that the traveling gnome is back safe and sound with us after this ordeal and I look forward to reading more of his reports in the days ahead.

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Posted by Summer on 08/28/11 07:55 PM

Posted by Summer on 08/28/11 05:13 PM
DB: ‘Christ is NOT a false prophet. He is one of the messengers of Allah is to return before Judgement Day to fight the Beast for 40 days and nights.’

The Quranic and Biblical type prophecies about the return of the prophet Jesus were historically understood by the prophets as a metaphorical indicator to the advent of one in the same mould with a similar spiritual mission.

The same was the case with Jesus himself – The Old Testament prophesised that Elijah would return on a fiery chariot to herald the coming of the messiah but Jesus explained to his detractors and deniers that this prophecy referred to John the Baptist, not Elijah himself who was long dead.

Where the Bible makes prophecies about the second advent of Jesus, the Quran and the Hadith elaborate. It is said that after the Holy Prophet Muhammad and his righteous four caliphs, the religion of Islam would decline in spite of the prophet’s lasting legacy of spirituality and rationality which would propel the Muslims to ever greater material prosperity and scientific progress.

The caliphate would be reduced to a mere kingship. The Quran warned that temporal power would pass from them to others to the West. Just as the Messiah of Moses came 1400 years after him, so, it was prophesised that 1400 after Muhammad, his messiah would appear and would be termed ‘Jesus’ to denote his similarity in mission and significance. It is now 1432 in the Islamic calendar – it is inconceivable for Muslims that a prophecy hasn’t been fulfilled. The question is then where is the Messiah?

At the time of the second coming of Jesus, Gog and Magog (Capitalist and Communist superpowers) would be let loose on the world and would cause much tumult and suffering but would wither away. The antichrist (Dajjal) would also appear (colonialist pseudo-Christian powers such as the British Empire and the contemporary Anglo-American alliance).

Jesus 2 (the Messiah of Muhammad who unified all faiths as one and the same of different points in the evolutionary line of religion) would ‘break the cross and kill the swine’ meaning that this contemporary reformer would successfully counter and destroy the pseudo-Christian philosophy of Trinity and concept of the Sonship of Christ; and end immoral and undesirable practices that God has deemed as ‘haram’ or wrong, that would have held sway since the Council of Nicea after Jesus’ departure and would halt the negative moral influence of global materialism.

Hadith: A Persian was sitting among us. The Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman (the Persian) and said: If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from among these would surely find it. (Bukhari).),

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a prophet of Persian decent, appeared in India (an occupied territory of the British empire) at a time when the Muslims of India were expecting a Messiah to lead them in a ‘Jihad’ to throw off the yoke of colonial British Rule just as Jesus appeared in an occupied territory of the Roman Empire with the same expectation from the Jews. This second Jesus counselled (in 1891, Islamic Calendar – 1308-1309) the Muslims of the world and those of India in particular that Islam did not permit a Jihad against the British if the British permitted freedom of Religious expression.

This echoed the first Jesus who picked up the coin and said to the Jews ‘Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and render to God what is God’s’. In this way, both made a clear distinction between religious belief and political affiliations. Both were pilloried and persecuted for this belief – both were rejected by the zealots and militants. When Jesus is purported to have died all but twelve Jews rejected him and he was labelled an imposter and heretic by his ‘own’ – The same is the case for Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (Jesus 2). The community that he established is also a minority and is also ostracised and persecuted.

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Eventually, the Romans lost patience with the restive Jews who rejected Jesus’ counsel and destroyed them by sacking the temples. Unfortunately, the same is now the case with those who did not accept the counsel of the second Jesus – Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran vs. Iraq etc…

Question: If we lived in Rome 100 years after Jesus, would we be aware of the claims of a Messiah in a backwater of the empire born to an ‘inferior people’? It took 300 years for the Romans to recognise Jesus. The Second Jesus also appeared among an ‘inferior people’ in a backwater of the Colonial empire 100 years ago. A ‘civilised’ Roman would not contemplate receiving divine guidance from a Jew in the same way a ‘civilised’ European would not give an Indian prophet a second glance.

To summarise the Islamic position (in my view) – ‘Jesus’ did appear again and the reformation has begun. The Fifth Caliph of the Promised Messiah lives in London (Rome of the British Empire).

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DB: ‘Interesting. Your view does not conform to what was explained by young men at the Yemeni jail, but it is obvious there are different belief structures even within Sunni Islam. Thank you for the insights as always.’

I would define my views as not conforming to Contemporary Sunni Islam but rather to the Islam of Muhammad. A view shared by such luminaries as Prof. Abdus Salam, the first Muslim Nobel Laureate (Physics) and Sir Chaudhry Muhammad Zafrullah Khan, the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan, one of its founding fathers and the only Muslim to have presided over the General Assembly of the UN – against elite agendas and he was revered and decorated by many Arab states for his outspoken defence of the Palestinian cause.

He was the only Muslim Chief Justice at the International Court of Justice at the Hague, promoting true justice. Educated and enlightened Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent recognised and embraced this movement over the last 100 years and paid a heavy price with dignity and forbearance. Ahmadiyya Muslims are now the only religious minority whose persecution is sanctioned by state legislation in many so called ‘Muslim Countries’.

The Prophet Muhammad prophesised that in the latter days, of the Messiah and the Dajjal (Antichrist – Globalist Elites), Islam would be divided into 73 sects. 72 would be astray (from the perfect path) and only one would be a true ‘jamaat’ (i.e. a body of believers under a Khalifa (Caliph), following Islam as the pristine original. And ironically, 72 sects are opposed to the 73rd *one*. He also said that the followers of the true messiah would be clearly recognisable as their condition would mirror that of him and his companions i.e. they would be a persecuted minority.

In 1974, at an unprecedented international conference convened and attended by representatives of all Muslim sects specifically for the purpose of determining the ‘status’ of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat – it was declared outside the pale of Islam. The state persecution of this reformist movement was legitimised and intensified – a fulfilment of the prophecy made 1400 years earlier. They are the only Muslims prohibited from the Hajj (just as Muhammad was prohibited from Hajj by the Meccans).

An interesting point to note is that in the entire 1400 year history of Islam, the Quran was only ever translated into the languages of the Islamic Empires i.e. Turkish, Persian etc… It is only in the last 100 years that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat, took on a huge undertaking – translated the Quran into more than 80 languages of the world and has never taken a cent of public money or external donations for its network infrastructure including: free schools for all, mosques and a free tv channel, but was entirely funded by its members.

Through immense personal sacrifices, Ahmadiyya missionaries, teachers, doctors and mosques were the first to appear in modern Europe, America, Africa and other parts of the world that had not had contact with the faith of Muhammad. The educational resources were laid and led to the education of major anti-colonialist figures and thus was a very important factor in stopping colonialists in their tracks, resulting in a reversal of fortune for the colonialist-sponsored pseudo-Christian missionary effort in the third world – finally culminating in post-war emancipation for many of these countries through an educated elite fostered in Ahmadiyya Schools (particularly in Africa and Asia).

The state-sanctioned persecution of this community in Pakistan is something to behold! The Pakistani passport form requires a citizen to declare the Messiah Mirza Ghulam Ahmad false. Check it out if you don’t believe me! Anyone caught professing this faith is liable to 3 years imprisonment.

Similar laws have subsequently been drawn up to cover Christian minorities in Pakistan but the constitutional amendment and the passport form only mention the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat. Salman Taseer, the celebrated Pakistani liberal and late Governor of Punjab Province was murdered by his bodyguard for championing the cause of a Christian lady victim of this law. He spoke out against this unjust law and was killed.

In 1984, the forth Ahmadiyya Khalifa had to leave Pakistan as he would not be able to perform his functions as the Ameerul Momineen whilst under this draconian law (The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are the *only* Muslims in the world that are united under a Khilafat/Caliphate (and at the correct prophesised time)).

His dire warnings to the then government of General Zia (funded by the West) about the dangers of the rise of the Mullah/Jihadists (also funded by the West) went unheeded and the rest is the sorry history we see unfolding with trepidation – with Pakistan being torn away from its secular Islamic foundations.

This is not a view you will hear in mainstream western or eastern media – a hidden history that has been obscured quite effectively.

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Posted by ahmerj on 08/28/11 07:31 PM

Staffer: I don’t know. But he is more than a little peeved at the Americans and at the CIA. The larger issue is the control that America asserts – not just in Yemen. I figured out finally this is going on all over the Middle East and Africa – the United Arab Emirates, Bharain, Oman, Kenya, Nigeria, Niger, now Libya. The Americans and NATO – the West, in other words, at the behest of the major Western banking families – have built a virtual Gulag throughout the region.

[ahmerj] Surprised why Pakistan is missing from the list. US either directly or thorough local elites (politicians and military generals) are using such jails, drone attacks, other covert CIA strikes… killing tens and hundreds innocent people everyday

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Posted by mdk4130 on 08/28/11 05:38 PM

Posted by kenn on 08/28/11 10:13 AM
These operations are funded by drug and other illegal operations by the rogue government but most of all, via the Central Bank. Without the so called “borrowing” from the Bank the paltry monies stolen from taxpayer wouldn’t come close to providing the funding needed for these illicit operations. (The real reason for Central Banks)

A moving story for sure…

I argued the article is a classic case of the Stockholm syndrome and DB asks of me in all seriousness if I read the article.

I winced, fumed, chuckled, and was over come with a complete sense that all is truly lost if anyone would read the article and seriously believe 99.9% of it.

Com’on on citizens — you’ve got to do better if we are to overcome our political economic problems.

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We will repeat the comment made below to Frank …

DB: … A final nonsensical remark. Stockholm Syndrome refers to adopting the belief structures of your captors. In this case the Saleh regime is aggressively secular and anti-Islam. Thus within this context, your observation makes no sense.

If you don’t wish to read the article, at least read the definition of what the Stockholm Syndrome actually is before you begin using it incorrectly.

Posted by Frank on 08/28/11 05:21 PM

“Anybody can come there of any religion to live and that person will not be oppressed in any way nor pressured to change his or her religion. Jews especially are highly esteemed in the Koran and set above Christians and even other Muslims.”

Not true. The Koran does at times speak highly of the “people of the book [Bible]”… Jews & Christians. But at other times it speaks in very hostile terms of Jews & Christians. This is because at the beginning when Mohammed was first getting his revelations (he wanted to turn the pagan arabs towards the true One God) he saw them as allies and people who might accept him as a prophet of Allah.

But his revelations, although 75% based upon the Bible, often contradict the Bible. The Jews & Christians therefore rejected him as a prophet and as his influence & power grew, he turned bitterly against them & his later “revelations” became very hostile against all who opposed him as God’s prophet. [Mohammed explained the contradictions between the Koran & the Bible as the Bible had been corrupted over time & his new revelations were more accurate.]

Not only his revelations turned against the Jews & Christians, but he himself ordered them slaughtered. Since the Koran has multiple contradictions (such as verses both in favor of & against Jews, Christians & other unbelievers), the rule to follow in Islam is to obey the latest revelations, as they were, in effect, Allah amending something he had previously said.

And yes, Jews & Christians can live in an Islamic regime, but in a second class “dhimmi” status which involves, among other things, a special unbelievers tax. No, they are not equal.

Frankly, I gave up reading this article about half way through. It does expose some interesting facts, but this gnome is very misguided & a 9/11 conspiracy believer. Yes, the Power Elite are using this vague “War on Terror” to their advantage to push for a One World Order, but no, the CIA or other American intelligence agencies didn’t set up OBL & al Queda to do their 9/11 attack.

Read the Koran & about the life of Mohammed. Then read the Bible (which also talks about Jesus the Messiah). Quite a contrast between the two books & between the life of Mohammed & life of Jesus!

Mohammed had many, many sins that included adultery, murder, robbery, deceitfulness, pedophelia, etc. Mohammed spread his religion by the sword.

Nobody ever proved Jesus to have committed a single sin. Christianity was founded upon the blood of Jesus & was spread by the blood of the martyrs.

Yes, people who call themselves Christian have committed many sins. That is not the point. Look at what Mohammed said & did & compare that with what the Messiah said & did.

And, yes, this seems to be a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

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“Anybody can come there of any religion to live and that person will not be oppressed in any way nor pressured to change his or her religion. Jews especially are highly esteemed in the Koran and set above Christians and even other Muslims.” Not true. … But his revelations, although 75% based upon the Bible, often contradict the Bible. The Jews & Christians therefore rejected him as a prophet and as his influence & power grew, he turned bitterly against them & his later “revelations” became very hostile against all who opposed him as God’s prophet. [Mohammed explained the contradictions between the Koran & the Bible as the Bible had been corrupted over time & his new revelations were more accurate.]

DB: A typical debunking by someone who wants to continue and expand the propaganda of bitterness between Islam and Christianity. What axe are you grinding? Travel in the Middle East and you will find little animosity toward “Jews” generally – only toward Israel and those who populate it.

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And yes, Jews & Christians can live in an Islamic regime, but in a second class “dhimmi” status which involves, among other things, a special unbelievers tax. No, they are not equal.

DB: Another nonsensical statement. Here are four views on Dhimmi status from Wikipedia:

Views of contemporary Islamic scholars on the status of dhimmis in an Islamic society …

Ayatollah Khomeini in his book On Islamic Government indicates unequivocally that non-Muslims should be required to pay the poll tax, in return for which they would profit from the protection and services of the state; they would, however, be excluded from all participation in the political process.[37] Bernard Lewis remarks about Khomeini that one of his main grievances against the Shah was that his legislation allowed the theoretical possibility of non-Muslims exercising political or judicial authority over Muslims.[38]

Allameh Tabatabaei, a prominent 20th century Shia scholar, commenting on a hadith that claims that the verse 9:29 has “abrogated” other verses asking for good behaviour toward dhimmis, states that “abrogation” could be understood either in its terminological sense or its literal sense. If “abrogation” is understood in its terminological sense, Muslims should deal with dhimmis strictly in a good and decent manner.[39]

Javed Ahmed Ghamidi writes in Mizan that certain directives of the Qur’an were specific only to the Prophet Muhammad against peoples of his times, besides other directives, the campaign involved asking the polytheists of Arabia for submission to Islam as a condition for exoneration and the others for jizya and submission to the political authority of the Muslims for exemption from death punishment and for military protection as the dhimmis of the Muslims. Therefore, after the Prophet and his companions, there is no concept in Islam obliging Muslims to wage war for propagation or implementation of Islam.[40][41]

The Shia jurist Grand Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi states in the selection of the Tafsir Nemooneh that the main philosophy of jizya is that it is only a financial aid to those Muslims who are in the charge of safeguarding the security of the state and Dhimmis’ lives and properties on their behalf[42]

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Frankly, I gave up reading this article about half way through. It does expose some interesting facts, but this gnome is very misguided & a 9/11 conspiracy believer. Yes, the Power Elite are using this vague “War on Terror” to their advantage to push for a One World Order, but no, the CIA or other American intelligence agencies didn’t set up OBL & al Queda to do their 9/11 attack.

DB: Right, “Frank.” You come to an alternative news site and “give up” reading half way through an article/interview. Not convincing, eh? Tina Brown has done a great job with Newsweek, we hear. We recommend it to you.

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Read the Koran & about the life of Mohammed. Then read the Bible (which also talks about Jesus the Messiah). Quite a contrast between the two books & between the life of Mohammed & life of Jesus!

DB: You want to compare great religions and conclude that one is “better” than the other. Way to go! Please explain how is one to make such a subjective determination?

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Mohammed had many, many sins that included adultery, murder, robbery, deceitfulness, pedophelia, etc. Mohammed spread his religion by the sword. Nobody ever proved Jesus to have committed a single sin. Christianity was founded upon the blood of Jesus & was spread by the blood of the martyrs. Yes, people who call themselves Christian have committed many sins. That is not the point. Look at what Mohammed said & did & compare that with what the Messiah said & did.

DB: Again, you want to compare and contrast spiritual messages. Over a billion Muslims find Islam to be a persuasive and spiritual message. Who are you to patronize them?

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And, yes, this seems to be a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

DB: And so you sign off with a final nonsensical remark. Stockholm Syndrome refers to adopting the belief structures of your captors. In this case the Saleh regime is aggressively secular and anti-Islam. Thus within this context, your observation makes no sense.

Posted by Summer on 08/28/11 05:13 PM

DB: ‘Christ is NOT a false prophet. He is one of the messengers of Allah is to return before Judgement Day to fight the Beast for 40 days and nights.’

The Quranic and Biblical type prophecies about the return of the prophet Jesus were historically understood by the prophets as a metaphorical indicator to the advent of one in the same mould with a similar spiritual mission.

The same was the case with Jesus himself – The Old Testament prophesised that Elijah would return on a fiery chariot to herald the coming of the messiah but Jesus explained to his detractors and deniers that this prophecy referred to John the Baptist, not Elijah himself who was long dead.

Where the Bible makes prophecies about the second advent of Jesus, the Quran and the Hadith elaborate. It is said that after the Holy Prophet Muhammad and his righteous four caliphs, the religion of Islam would decline in spite of the prophet’s lasting legacy of spirituality and rationality which would propel the Muslims to ever greater material prosperity and scientific progress.

The caliphate would be reduced to a mere kingship. The Quran warned that temporal power would pass from them to others to the West. Just as the Messiah of Moses came 1400 years after him, so, it was prophesised that 1400 after Muhammad, his messiah would appear and would be termed ‘Jesus’ to denote his similarity in mission and significance. It is now 1432 in the Islamic calendar – it is inconceivable for Muslims that a prophecy hasn’t been fulfilled. The question is then where is the Messiah?

At the time of the second coming of Jesus, Gog and Magog (Capitalist and Communist superpowers) would be let loose on the world and would cause much tumult and suffering but would wither away. The antichrist (Dajjal) would also appear (colonialist pseudo-Christian powers such as the British Empire and the contemporary Anglo-American alliance).

Jesus 2 (the Messiah of Muhammad who unified all faiths as one and the same of different points in the evolutionary line of religion) would ‘break the cross and kill the swine’ meaning that this contemporary reformer would successfully counter and destroy the pseudo-Christian philosophy of Trinity and concept of the Sonship of Christ; and end immoral and undesirable practices that God has deemed as ‘haram’ or wrong, that would have held sway since the Council of Nicea after Jesus’ departure and would halt the negative moral influence of global materialism.

Hadith: A Persian was sitting among us. The Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman (the Persian) and said: If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from among these would surely find it. (Bukhari).),

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a prophet of Persian decent, appeared in India (an occupied territory of the British empire) at a time when the Muslims of India were expecting a Messiah to lead them in a ‘Jihad’ to throw off the yoke of colonial British Rule just as Jesus appeared in an occupied territory of the Roman Empire with the same expectation from the Jews. This second Jesus counselled (in 1891, Islamic Calendar – 1308-1309) the Muslims of the world and those of India in particular that Islam did not permit a Jihad against the British if the British permitted freedom of Religious expression.

This echoed the first Jesus who picked up the coin and said to the Jews ‘Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and render to God what is God’s’. In this way, both made a clear distinction between religious belief and political affiliations. Both were pilloried and persecuted for this belief – both were rejected by the zealots and militants. When Jesus is purported to have died all but twelve Jews rejected him and he was labelled an imposter and heretic by his ‘own’ – The same is the case for Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (Jesus 2). The community that he established is also a minority and is also ostracised and persecuted.

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Eventually, the Romans lost patience with the restive Jews who rejected Jesus’ counsel and destroyed them by sacking the temples. Unfortunately, the same is now the case with those who did not accept the counsel of the second Jesus – Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran vs. Iraq etc…

Question: If we lived in Rome 100 years after Jesus, would we be aware of the claims of a Messiah in a backwater of the empire born to an ‘inferior people’? It took 300 years for the Romans to recognise Jesus. The Second Jesus also appeared among an ‘inferior people’ in a backwater of the Colonial empire 100 years ago. A ‘civilised’ Roman would not contemplate receiving divine guidance from a Jew in the same way a ‘civilised’ European would not give an Indian prophet a second glance.

To summarise the Islamic position (in my view) – ‘Jesus’ did appear again and the reformation has begun. The Fifth Caliph of the Promised Messiah lives in London (Rome of the British Empire).

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Interesting. Your view does not conform to what was explained by young men at the Yemeni jail, but it is obvious there are different belief structures even within Sunni Islam. Thank you for the insights as always.

Posted by Summer on 08/28/11 04:58 PM

Posted by howardbe on 08/28/11 11:01 AM
I found this interview quite fascinating, particularly two aspects, American intervention and the high esteem for Jews expressed in the Koran.

I have been increasing distressed the direction America has taken since the advent of the Truman Doctrine. Prior to 1948, America had taken only two major interventions on its own, and allowed itself to be dragged into two major World Wars. Since then, the United States has increasingly been the aggressor and has tentacles throughout the world. I didn’t want to believe this of my country, but 700 overseas military bases are hard to hide as is the brutal onslaughts in Iraq and Afghanistan, now Libya and Syria.

Your gnome is to be lauded for his interesting story and his fortitude.

Now for the Koran. I have owned an authentic English translation of the Koran for for over twenty years. I got tired of discussing a book I hadn’t read. I also, from readings and information from the internet, which I discovered around 1992-3, have verified some of the content.

IN NO PLACE IN MY KORAN AE THE JEWS, OR CHRISTIANS FOR THAT MATTER, ESTEEMED. In fact, Christ is referred to as a false prophet. In my Koran, Jews are literally only good for killing.

As in most religions, the ideal is far removed from the reality of the practice. Christianity preached brotherly love and the Golden Rule. So go explain the Inquisition aand the miseerable 300,000 plus “heretics” robbed of their belongings and burned at the stake. Or Pizarro in South America. Or the Crusades.

Sorry, in my Koran I find more instances of of extreme applications of Shariah Law than benign.

“IN NO PLACE IN MY KORAN AE THE JEWS, OR CHRISTIANS FOR THAT MATTER, ESTEEMED. In fact, Christ is referred to as a false prophet. In my Koran, Jews are literally only good for killing.”

Incorrect. Ahle-Kitaab (people of the book – Jews Christians Muslims) are respected and fit for Muslims to marry. No, Jesus is revered as a PROPHET of God but most certainly the Quran vehemently denies sonship and trinity as a huge fabricated injustice on the memory of Jesus who never said: Worship me; and Father was a metaphorical term of love and regard for God. The Quran critiques many peoples when they are in error, including some among Muslims, Jews, Christians, unbelievers and idolaters.

‘And verily, We gave Moses the Book and caused after him Messengers to follow in his footsteps; and to Jesus, son of Mary, We gave manifest Signs, and strengthened him with the Spirit of holiness. Will you then, every time a Messenger comes to you with what you yourselves desire not, behave arrogantly and treat some as liars and slay others?’ Quran, 2:87/88.

‘Say, ‘O People of the Book! come to a word equal between us and you – that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partner with Him, and that some of us take not others for Lords beside Allah.’ But if they turn away, then say, ‘Bear witness that we have submitted to God.’ Quran, 3:64/65.

“Sorry, in my Koran I find more instances of of extreme applications of Shariah Law than benign.”

I am sorry that you may have read the verses that were applicable during defensive wars, as to killing soldiers (holding various ‘beliefs’) when Muslims were attacked and thought that they were generally applicable.

“As in most religions, the ideal is far removed from the reality of the practice. Christianity preached brotherly love and the Golden Rule. So go explain the Inquisition aand the miseerable 300,000 plus “heretics” robbed of their belongings and burned at the stake. Or Pizarro in South America. Or the Crusades.”

This is true. It cannot be said to be the fault of the religions themselves if violent movements use the label of those faiths it is not the faiths that are to blame, it is those that have a lust for power and manipulate religion for those aims.

I provide a link below with an excellent translation of the Quran and brief commentary to reveal the context of verses – imperative for a thorough understanding of the context of verses:

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Posted by Summer on 08/28/11 04:52 PM

Thanks for sharing this experience..

‘For instance, Islam – Sunni Islam, anyway – is in many ways the least intrusive religion you could ever belong to. Taxes in the West are above 50 percent, all in all, for many people. Islam has almost no taxes, certainly not an income tax.’

(I have spoken about the Islamic economic system here: and here):

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‘The state in many ways basically leaves you alone, though Sharia law is to be administered by Islamic Courts appointed by the leader of the nation.’

This is not *the* Islamic teaching, however various implementations of sharia (law) may not properly reflect the plural legal systems (where many laws operated simultaneously to cater for many faiths etc, whilst still being under one ‘Islamic’ rule).

There was also a separation of powers under the Rashidin Caliphate – the judiciary was independent of the ‘ruler’. I speak about this in some detail on another stream:

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‘So the standard of proof to apply the more significant parts of Sharia law come with an immensely high standard.’

True

“Staffer: Well, the punishments – lashings and stonings – are fairly significant. They are intended to scare people more than they are intended to be applied, or so people told me.”

Stoning was not a punishment under Islam, though until Islamic verses giving penal instructions were revealed, a continuation of Mosaic law continued even in areas where there were Muslims.

Unfortunately, various interpretations have erroneously attributed this to Islam but that is impossible in its true sense as the Holy Prophet and the Quran are the primary sources and do not instruct it.

‘There are thousands, tens of thousands, of innocent young men being picked up in this dragnet every year who’ve done nothing wrong except perhaps to be enthusiastically spiritual and to focus closely on becoming good Muslims.’

Very sad.

‘It’s a virtual campaign to radicalize the youth of Islam and it’s no coincidence, in my view. The great banking families want radical Islam. They want a war between East and West, at least a cold war if not a hot one.’

Orientalists corrupted Islam in the last century in bad faith by inter alia often using the lowest grade Muslim ‘scholars’ views and ignoring the views of great Islamic scholars such as Imam Raghib.

‘opened my eyes more fully to the vastness of Western manipulations being perpetrated on the Middle East and actually the entire world. The charade of Muslim terrorism… ‘

The question is why are immoral elites desperately trying to radicalize and distort Islam? If Islam was so harmless in its true form, surely elites would leave it be?

The West and many have been deceived as to the truth of those weird brown people with their strange religion… but not for long.

‘Staffer:… This was confusing to me until I realized that those at the top of a controlled war needn’t share their views with the rank and file. They go through the motions and those beneath tend to believe what they’re told.’

This is true many political religious figures manipulate the sincere masses to their own ends.

‘Staffer: Just that I was incredibly moved by the young people I met who were so generous and kind in the face of adversity. They named me Jonah after Jonah and the whale – the whale being the jail. This is the sort of metaphorical plane on which their minds worked. They knew nothing of rock and roll. They sing and chant the Koran, which is one of the great works of literature of all time. Thus, these young people were steeped in the metaphor of classical literature. Where their peers in the West were singing along to Britney Spears, these young people were speaking and thinking within the ambit of a much different perspective. It was like living among young men who saw the world through the eyes of, say, Shakespeare, a truly unusual experience, like living within a real-life anachronism. The nobility of their morality and the greatness of its expression was a kind of out-of-body experience for me.’

I found this observation quite moving. It is through the sublime and perfect character of the The Holy Prophet Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) that his moral light permeates into the souls of his followers – most humble and meek ones can be elevated to beautiful souls of moral excellence – true excellence.

This is the true purpose of life – internal discipline – the struggle, giving rise to a spirituality which is a source of peace for all.

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