Nov 4th_ VT Accused Of Thwarting Israeli Plan

VT Accused Of Thwarting Israeli Plan

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“Row Faster!” Veterans Today Stands Accused, But Not of Enough

by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

As the news fills with stories about Israel’s plan to attack nuclear weapons facilities in Iran, real or imagined, an October 27 story in Veterans Today, Iran and Israel Caught – Partnering in Nuclear Attack Ploy, laid bare their war plans based on a series of highly placed leaks.

There were so many “leakers”, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, US, that we hardly had time to talk to them all.

Why the leaks? Seldom in history has there been a war so few people actually want to fight.

As our initial report indicates, not only does Iran know it’s coming, they have agreed to “paint” the target themselves. They need it more than Israel does.

When we ask why, we descend into the murky world of finance where money disasters, as we have seen in the European Union, reeling from one Greek disaster to another, can be worse than any nuclear attack.

Big Wins – Big Losses – Often Depend on Manipulation
For Israel, the problem is “oil futures.” “Futures” aren’t really investments, they’re really bets, gambling, usually based on “insider knowledge” of a market.

The oil market is based on “supply and demand.” Economic circumstances controls supply and world economies are crashing and out of control, particularly in Europe but the United States as well, the two largest oil markets.

There is no demand for oil.

This leaves “supply.” Oil supplies are controlled two ways. Prices are pushed up by threats of war which could include damage or even purposeful attack on oil facilities as in Kuwait.

A more unique situation is Iran’s capability of shutting off supply by closing the Straits of Hormuz, the narrow waterway where oil tankers from the Persian Gulf must pass.

Iran totally controls it and Iran’s only real military capability other than having a 13 million man militia, is the thousands of missiles it has pointed at the Straits.

Closing these Straights is a Bullet in the Head for Many Economies
Can war really be “pretend?” Have things gone that far? The answer, of course, is in the leaks. Everyone is doing it, you can’t shut them up.

What were the leaks?

Israel had bought billions in oil futures, bets based on secret knowledge of upcoming events that would make oil go up in price, way up, despite all indications otherwise. They knew something nobody else knew. Have we heard this accusation before, perhaps on 9/11, airline stock futures?
Sources in Iran, not only confirmed Israel’s investment strategy but admitted as well that factions in Iran were set to share in Israel’s potential massive profits if, for some mysterious reason, an attack on Iran, one doomed to be at best a joke attack, were to go forward.
Sources in Iran, in actuality, confirmed that also, that they had knowledge of an Israeli attack and that some in Iran were fully complicit, willing to “stand aside” and allow Israel to fly 1400 miles to Iran under continual radar observation, total “sitting ducks,” for an attack that, considering the size of Iran, that would be like killing an elephant with a grain of sand. Any attack attempt would be reported by Russian satellites, advanced Russian systems in Syria and, of course, by the thousands of Russian radar and satellite technicians working in Iran. The “in air” refueling planes themselves would be seen from as far away as Germany.
Iranian sources went further, naming those in Iran who had been offered payment by Israel, part of the oil future proceeds, proceeds that could become a massive debt, hundreds of billions, unless an attack is carried out soon and oil quickly goes above $120 a barrel, way above that, the price set by this round out “futures.”
Iran has its own interests. As a nation with little but an oil economy, it is dependent on direct sale of oil for its survival. When this was last discussed but not leaked by everyone, back in 2008, there was a bit of a different world. Let’s take a look at that now:
The initial plan was made in 2008. Real plans for an invasion of Iran by the Bush administration and PNAC, the Israeli run foundation that advised President Bush on all policies and “peopled” his administration with some whose loyalties were “obscure” at best, had failed.

Operation El Dorado Canyon – April 14, 1986
“False Flag” naval attacks in the Persian Gulf had been attempted, phony patrol boats, phony radio traffic, a typical Bush/Netanyahu “Marx Brothers” operation.

Then the Bush administration went to the government of Bahrain and asked them to help blow up a facility killing a few dozen American servicemen.

We had seen a similar “false flag” attack back in the 1980′s prior to the Libya bombing, something we have since learned was entirely “theatrical” and never really happened at all, not without Libyan permission.

No, no 15 month old “daughter of a dictator” was killed in the Tripoli bombings as we have been informed in more leaks, this one by President Reagan’s National Intelligence Coordinator, Lee Wanta.

We caught onto the Bahrain attack as well, another leak, this one from the Bush National Security Council, an assistant to someone named Paul Wolfowitz came forward.

An American general, Special Forces, working directly under Vice President Cheney, was sent to Bahrain to arrange the attack on American servicemen. White House officials who disapproved, flew to Bahrain and warned the Marine and Naval commanders. The attacks, to be staged by the intelligence services of Bahrain, were thwarted.

Some of those involved in stopping the murder of the Americans had their careers ruined, others had friends and relatives arrested and charged with “money laundering” and other spurious Patriot Act violations.

One senior member of the National Security Council actually had to flee the country and seek asylum. We know of one murder, a Turkish national.

Bahrain U.S. Naval Facility

The member of the NSC who went into hiding described a private meeting with Paul Wolfowitz from 1999, prior to his appointment to the NSC, while he was still with PNAC, where he described the plans to rig intelligence to attack Iraq for no other purpose than to stage an invasion of Iran. Of course to do this, it was necessary to rig a presidential election.

Thus, the clock moves forward and the map of the Middle East is in the process of being redrawn.

As to what has changed, the first area we discuss is the issue of “social cohesion.” Both Israel and Iran, at that time, were seen as “cohesive” societies. Israel was all Jews who bought in on Nethanyau’s “boogeyman stories” and Iran was totally under the thumb of the Mullahs.

Netanyahu – One of the Most Dangerous Men in the World
Today, however, nobody believes Netanyahu, his new stories about Iran, published in paper after paper, “parallel nuclear weapons programs” and Iranians sharpening knives in their tents barely gets giggles anymore. In Iran, too much time has passed.

Control of civil government by uneducated religious leaders whose secret police arrest people for “witchcraft” and “consorting with jinns” (genies, a form of demon) has worn thin.

Any country that has a space program or that could build nuclear weapons and still believes these things is pretty silly.

Actually, religious leaders in Israel are almost identical to those in Iran, perhaps even worse and have, under Netanyahu, nearly as much influence as this story from Veterans Today tells us.

Currently rather broad interpretations of the Torah cover all sorts of things, including war based on financial speculation.

Do we look at this “common ground” between Israel and Iran as a positive move toward world peace?

LAST BUT HARDLY LEAST

The last leak we had came from the Ukraine. Sources there, close to the highest levels of the government and military, reminded us of those “heady times” back in 2003.

The Bush administration was on a worldwide crusade against Islam. Bush, now the least popular president in American history, accused by dozens of nations of war crimes, still had acceptable poll numbers, that and 200,000 troops in Iran.

Thermo-Nuclear Warhead
Iran had an active nuclear weapons program at that time and openly admits it.

With 200,000 Americans staring at them, under the command of criminal psychopaths led around by the nose by Israeli agents posing as members of the National Security Council, Iran chose to very publicly scrap its nuclear weapons program.

They were only buying time.

The threat was very real to Iran, Bush planned an attack on Iran and was willing to do anything, including stage another attack on the United States as he had on 9′/11, to justify it.

This was no secret in the Middle East. Osama bin Laden had announced who planned 9/11 early on, while he was still alive before his death in 2001.

A “slam dunk” case for the innocence of bin Laden is made in this article in Veterans Today, Osama bin Laden: Closing the Case on an Innocent Man.

Official CIA transcripts and even broadcasts by Fox News support bin Laden’s innocence.

Unsubstantiated stories indicate that Viktor Yushchenko’s supporters, back in 2003, to help finance his election, sold a weapon of sorts to Iran.

Yushenko Dioxin Poisoning – Why Was It Done, by Whom ?
Yushchenko, himself, had actually reached out to Israel for support during the campaign, pointing out that his mother had hidden 3 Jewish girls from the Nazis during World War II.

Either way, there are those who believe Yushchenko was responsible and was poisoned with dioxin as punishment for this transgression.

There is no proof of this.

However, much more reliable reports do tell of a transfer of a weapon to Iran in 2003.

We must also remember that, in 1995, the Ukraine had entered into negotiations to join NATO. It wasn’t under 2010 that this effort was abandoned when a polling of Ukrainian voters found 40% looked on NATO as more threat than friend.

As for the weapon itself, this is how it was described.

Theoretically, the Ukraine returned its nuclear arsenal to Russia in 1996. Within this arsenal were a number of SS19 missiles, armed with 6 550kt thermonuclear warheads.

Some were returned to Russia and, in accordance with START 2, rearmed with a single 5 megaton warhead, replacing the MIRV (Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) system.

Soviet SS-19
Some remained behind, armed with the original 5 weapons but in “dry” storage, lacking both fuel and targeting systems.

One of these was flown to Tehran, our Ukrainian sources tell us, giving Iran a missile capable of striking, not only Israel but most of the world, though we are not sure of its condition, and enough nuclear weapons, more appropriately, “thermonuclear weapons” of small size and high reliability to turn Israel to glass.

Any one of them could destroy the entire American fleet in the region.

Why then, would Israel indicate plans to attack Iran when we know that they know Iran has these weapons and could deliver them?

What is confirmation on this? Our last National Security Assessment by the CIA indicated that Iran has no active nuclear program and is not trying in any way to build nuclear weapons.

In fact, despite continual promises from Israel, coming “fast and furious” in the last few days, nobody has any proof that Iran didn’t dismantle their weapons program nearly a decade ago as claimed.

We would ask Osama bin Laden, if he hadn’t died 10 years ago. This is the nature of the kind of rhetoric we have gotten used to hearing.

Why then are there continual threats against a program that nobody can locate, Iran is certainly filled with spies, and the CIA claims doesn’t exist?

POSSIBLE SOLUTION

“Set piece battles” were all the thing, from ancient times up to the Somme in 1916. It is clear that Israel wants to fight Iran but just can’t get there. Israel has little real navy, no air transport capability to speak of and many of its soldiers, after doing their IDF service, returned to the US where they are working, some on Wall Street.

The map below is from the UK Daily Mail, prepared by friends of Israel that manage that publication. Get a good laugh out of this:

THE MAP, A COMEDY OF STUPIDITY

Where do I begin? Israel’s 750 aircraft can’t be refueled to attack Iran. They also can’t fly over Turkey, Iraq or Saudi Arabia legally. The truth? Israel has a few planes in one of the former Soviet Republics, north of Iran. They can use those. They are so poorly protected a group of small children might steal them at any time. Whoever did this map, and we know it was done in Israel, figures everyone is stupid. They are probably right.
Problem 2 is the 43,000 troops in Iraq. The “Separation of Forces Agreement” between the US and Iraq prohibits any US troops there to be used against Iran. In fact, Iraq would be obligated to join the war on behalf of Iran. So would Turkey, a long time ally of the US with one of the most powerful armies in the world.
The 43,000 Americans are more likely to rekindle a full scale civil war in Iraq, something Israel wants as it has plans to seize part of Kurdistan.
Then we have the 98,000 American troops in Afghanistan. They are already losing a war there, 10 years later and the Taliban is kicking their tails. President Karzai would be forced to demand the immediate withdrawal of all American forces from Afghanistan, forcing a US veto in the UN Security Council. The entire nation of Afghanistan would rise against American forces leading to a modern day “Dien Bien Phu.” 98,000 Americans could very well end up POWs.
Pakistan would be obligated to cut off all US supplies from the Indian Ocean and Russia would immediately end all US agreements to allow resupply over Russia. The 98,000 American troops in Afghanistan would be out of ammunition, have no fuel for their vehicles or planes and would eventually starve to death or learn to eat the opium poppies they have helped cultivate for the past 10 years.
This leaves those ships in the Persian Gulf. Iran, years ago, had 8000 Chinese designed Silkworm missiles dug in to cover the entire Persian Gulf and much of the Southern Indian Ocean. Two years ago, a factory producing these missiles, capable of defeating America’s naval defenses, was completed in Iran. This means current numbers are much higher. These missiles “close” at Mach 2.5 and can be launched by the thousands in a few minutes. The Japanese Kamakazi attacks that devastated US Naval forces off Okinawa in 1945 would be a joke in comparison. Every ship in the Persian Gulf would be underwater in a few hours. Would the US Navy retaliate? Of course, as soon as they built new ships.
Just imagine how many of the world’s several billion Muslims would be putting in applications to join Al Qaeda? Is that the plan, overwork Al Qaeda’s recruiting and training staff and make them all quit?
If you think I invented this stupid map, please check the Daily Mail article “Iran ‘is ready for war’: Tehran vows to retaliate if Israel and the West attack nuclear plants”

This pack of clowns, the most shamefully incompetent military minds on earth, actually tried to foist this off on the British public.

IT GETS WORSE, SO MUCH WORSE

Egypt Revolution – The Military Was Trusted in the Beginning – But Now?
Israel is in a hurry to push the US into war because Egypt still has its pro-Israeli army led by Mubarak era stooges.

When they are gone, and an election will eliminate them quickly, Egypt has put Israel on notice that the Camp David Peace Accords will no longer apply.

Israel will have a large American trained and American supplied Egyptian Army on its border for the first time in decades.

With the Persian Gulf a war zone, oil will stop.

Any increase in oil prices will collapse both the dollar and euro, two currencies “on the brink.” The US depends on China to buy its bad debt, the only way of keeping America alive.

However, China is closely aligned to both Pakistan and Iran. Though China may not defend Iran, it will certainly prevent any US pressure against Pakistan to allow troops or supplies to cross Pakistan for an attack on China’s other ally and major supplier of oil, Iran.

China can also dump its treasury bonds, lowering America’s credit rating more and making any further borrowing by the US impossible. America will then be forced to cut back its military, not 25% but 60% and drain the Social Security fund dry.

With this, of course, the auto companies will collapse again, with no money to bail them out, and the rest of the banks will go with them, again with no money for a bailout.

Commercial credit will dry up as will mortgages, inflation will hit, interest rates will be forced up to levels we saw under President Carter and America will enter a full scale depression likely to last a generation.

Other than that, “the plan” seems on solid footing as far as I can see.

CONTROLLED PRESS STARTING A WAR

An Attack on Iran by Israel will be Deemed an Attack by America, also. But Who Will Pay the Most For It?
A minor note. There is no credible intelligence from any source backing claims Israel is making against Iran. Does Israel, in fact, have any credibility at all?

This week, 107 members of the United Nations, by putting the State of Palestine in UNESCO told Israel to “go take a hike.”

With Israel and a carefully orchestrated news campaign demanding the US go to war against Iran, a formidable military power with strong alliances with Russia and China, is American law being violated?

There has been no threat against either America or its interests. No attack has been made on the US though we suspect one may well conveniently occur any day now.

Will people believe it, even after 9/11 has been unmasked?

What do America’s generals say? Two of Israel’s most credible experts have spoken up, the only way they could, by going to the press. They say the entire idea of war with Iran is insanity.

This is from today’s Guardian “Israel PM Orders Investigation into Iran Leak“. It alleged leaks of plans to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it has been reported.

According to the Kuwaiti newspaper al-Jarida, the main suspects are the former heads of Mossad and the Shin Bet, respectively Israel’s foreign and domestic intelligence agencies. Netanyahu is said to believe that the two, Meir Dagan and Yuval Diskin, wanted to torpedo plans being drawn up by him and Ehud Barak, the defence minister, to hit Iranian nuclear sites.

Tzipi Livni, leader of the opposition Kadima party, is also said to have been persuaded to attack Netanyahu for “adventurism” and “gambling with Israel’s national interest”.

LET ISRAEL DO IT

America has certainly fought enough wars for Israel, a fact long in evidence. Perhaps, out of a sense of civility, Iran would agree to fight Israel, on Iranian soil.

This would require an agreement by Iran to allow Israel to stage its forces in Iran, open use of commercial air space, Iranian airports, where IDF current and reserve forces, not just from Israel but the US and UK as well, could be “mustered” for battle against Iran, the “mother of all battles” to coin a phrase oft used by Saddam Hussein.

I am sure JP Morgan/Chase would front the airline tickets.

There is little doubt that Israeli/Australian/British/American Rupert Murdoch could get the television rights.

Netanyahu could lead the forces personally.

I think this is something we all would buy a ticket to see.

Edited by Jim W. Dean

MAPS AND GRAPHS WITHIN LINK…Comment section

Last night news – Next Wednesday all across the USA alarms will be sounded- just testing!!

DaveL
November 4, 2011 – 10:38 am
Staging another “9/11 style” attack on US again is becoming a potent reality. How else can this “attack Iran” comedy script possibly playout? THEY know WE know the level of lies and bullsh*t wrapped into to “their plans”. I am becoming increasingly uncomfortable with our odds of NOT being subjected to 9/11, part two.

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DaveL
November 4, 2011 – 11:26 am
The addition of the “cartoon map” and accompanying bullet points of info just seals the deal for me. This is utter insanity. Just walk away USA and don’t look back. The “flash” will blind you.

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Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 3:32 pm
Dave, That is for real. We did not doctor that up. Hint. They might be an Israeli Intel asset !!!

What rattled us is that it was so corny it was suggestive of pulling out all the stops, as part of this whole campaign that got cranked up in Britain. And it’s being coordinated is obvious as hell.

So we decided to up that ante by putting out things we have not before.

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hareli
November 4, 2011 – 3:56 pm
Thank you, Jim and Gordon, for putting this stuff out. I couldn’t have imagined it in million years, but it makes perfect sense: oil futures and an overexposure.

Btw, is this a typo? “still had acceptable poll numbers, that and 200,000 troops in Iran.” Is that really Iran? Or is it Iraq?

Reply DaveL
November 4, 2011 – 5:40 pm
I can only hope the 100 million watt light you are shining on this has the intended result. Keep “bitch slapping them” for the rest of us. And thanks.

Reply TJ Bronco
November 4, 2011 – 10:49 pm
Israelli’s and their IDF are just a bunch of PUSSIES!I remember in USAF Flight training, we had some Israelli pilots come to the base to ‘teach’ us athing or two, as they were touted as the best pilots in the world… I took a shit, flushed the toilet and never went to the briefing… Josh Shalumb…

Reply Edward Rynearson
November 4, 2011 – 10:42 am
Rahm Emanuel > America’s Mayor Redux?

Reply henry
November 4, 2011 – 10:43 am
hilarious — too, too true

Reply abe gold
November 4, 2011 – 10:56 am
disgusting jews

Reply MadasHell
November 4, 2011 – 11:08 am
Good article as usual, but I have to admit that I’m a little dismayed at all the pro-Israel crap ads around your site. One on the page of this article as i read it is actually from ihateamerica.com… really? The banner reads “Screw America, I stand for Israel”. I couldn’t make this crap up.

Are you that hard up at VT that you have to get your ad funding from the pro-Israeli lobby members just to keep running. It’s plastered everywhere on your site. What gives?

Don’t try to tell us it’s Google adspace or something similar feeding off of our search words. There’s nothing pro-Israeli in my house, so having an abundance of these ads pop us is a disgrace.

Everyone should boycot this site until the ads from such BS “vendors” is gone. Seriously. If you support these people behind the scenes, we’ve all been duped. If you are using adspace, or some similar form of generic ad production, you need to change your vendor and hire a real ad company to sell space for you. Get serious and realize this is a problem.

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Jon Jon
November 4, 2011 – 1:44 pm
others woukd like an answer to this as well …………??????

Reply adeUK
November 4, 2011 – 2:24 pm
I get a combination of ads for Iranian girls and the “screw america I stand by Israel” at the end of the article. I also get “learn hebrew” ads on VT on occasions. As a mere human who am I to challenge the infinite wisdom of the ad algorithm.

Enjoy the irony. If Israel and its familiars have a huge leveraged exposure to oil futures and the price stays low then it is they who are screwed.:) WWIII not withstanding.

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 7:52 pm
Welcome to the futures market….it could turn Switzerland into Greece overnight.

Reply Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 3:35 pm
Madas and Jon Jon, That one, and those like them are goof ads we created. Google ads does place the ads on key words automatically. So the ones we created, you can take up that spot so theirs do not get placed there.

Plus we were hoping to get a call from Abe Foxman wondering who was placing those, but not yet You all know we also have a sense of humor…especially from the way Gordon ended this piece.

Reply Jackson
November 4, 2011 – 4:53 pm
– edited HOSTS file = zero ads. i cant believe people still put up with ads.

Reply HusbandofMoonlight
November 4, 2011 – 6:11 pm
Put the name of Husband of Moonlight on your list.
Our contention in most of the Native American Community stands with Palestine and the rights of all people Native to their Lands—including the illegally held state of Hawaii.The “Jews” are illegal occupiers who would never have been able to “pull the farce off” without the criminal nation of the USA———–
What we in the Native American Community are forced to deal with is a “Hollywood immage” of us by most of America .The “mass ignorance” of the American populace of their own US history is so deeply instilled as to be a laughing stock of the world. Indeed along with this ignorance and its accompanied arrogance the USA has shown itself to be in a terrible habit of electing criminals to high office; and with a former president a confessed war criminal—allowed to make TV appearances for fees—-the world not only laughs at America—they now know they have reason to fear them.
So, most of the Americans who have allowed this to come to pass unfortunately are the same who believe that “Jesus” is coming back to save them; and straighten out those “Jews”—-so while the USA has homeless and hungry children and elders and veterans—they send the illegal state of Israel, 8 million dollars per day in “Military Aid” while Israel violates international and maritime law with impunity.The USA actually is so stupidly lead as to believe that the world will not call them to answer—along with Israel; but that is foolish and most likely sooner than they can imagine will “slam them in the face”. Recent riots in Israel by its citizens was over ‘living conditons and wage disparity’—-instead of the many international crimes their nations is committing———–yet, in reality Israel is a mere “pimple on the buttocks” of the “master Criminal Nation”——–the USA. The world cannot possibly tolerate either the USA or Israel much longer—-and history will reveal the likely outcome.
“If the USA were any other criminal nation, the Americans would invade the USA to keep the world safe:
and they would be justified”

Good Luck America, you really need it.
Good Luck Veterans Today–there still may be hope for both of you.

Reply Jim
November 4, 2011 – 11:18 am
Once again VT shows it is first in taking the pulse of what is actually going on in the background of the geopolitical chessboard. As usual, Senior Editor Gordon Duff has cut through all the usual mass media govt dispensed propaganda to give us the real story behind the lines.

This is a story which can challenge one’s credulity, but is well founded due to the excellence of Duff’s deep contacts and sources. Duff’s excellent sources cut across a wide spectrum of nations and governments, and the intel he weaves into his excellent articles gives them a context of reality that would not otherwise be possible.

No one wants to believe that wars between nation states are sometimes negotiated in advance by corrupt self-serving leaders who have secret back channels and hidden business relationships, but Duff presents evidence which appears to allow no other conclusions in this case.

Not only does this raise alarming implications for the current saber rattling regarding Iran, but it also raises many questions about what was actually behind other recent and past wars which make no sense unless similar self-serving deals were negotiated between corrupt leaders in advance.

This latest work by Duff on these apparent geopolitical deals behind the current Iran war mongering will perhaps trigger a new change in thinking about the actual “behind the scene” causes of war as this article gets the wider recognition that it deserves.

Has the curtain now been pulled back exposing the wizard of Oz? Will the sheeple finally realize the King has no new clothes at all and is truly naked?

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 12:51 pm
jim

be careful
now they are going to blow up my car….
maybe even my good one
g

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Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 3:37 pm
Oh no. They always go for the staff first to send you a message. But I have a bomb sniffing dog, which nobody knows about, so I am OK. They are REALLY mans best friend.

Reply TJ Bronco
November 4, 2011 – 11:02 pm
Gordon, I know you have recently been taking shit from those establishment guys.. FCK em! Julien Curtiss Lee and the other weasil said I was an Israelli agent… Hysterical! Anyway I have observered how you and Jimmie Dean have taken the same from sources never known before…The Strong, The Brave, and the Correct will take SHT from the Sht Stirrers of False Flag Nation. It is a Badge of honor-Wear it proudly, Sirs!

Reply ENDTIMES
November 4, 2011 – 11:23 am
Gordon it is not stupid to them because, they lose 0 lives just USA military

Reply zendeviant
November 4, 2011 – 11:58 am
Longtime reader, first time commenter. Ex-navy nuke.

There is no text that I can see for this article. Has someone done some unauthorized editing?

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 12:51 pm
sorry…we had an html problem..fixed by john allen

Reply Derek
November 4, 2011 – 1:40 pm
So if “Israel” is going to attack Iran for oil prices to soar, will Iran in return fire those missiles aimed at the synagogue of satan’s nuclear facilities?

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bobt
November 4, 2011 – 7:02 pm
Derek
they want our “goy” sons and daughters to do that…not the pristine..pure, victimized jews…they’ll stay away and manage the money. and think of the po’s to rebuild the US fleet..I see win win in there for someone…Not us..

Reply Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 7:56 pm
Iran’s arsenal is if no use. However, it is time they admitted having it and that the US disarm Israel.

After the trillions lost, the US should militarily guarantee the middle east….

israel…iran..

and the rights of palestinians

we already spent the money, spent the lives and spread more disease

we will be outlining a bizarre but effective plan soon

Reply hareli
November 4, 2011 – 2:22 pm
Oil futures (and oil prices) at set in the City of London.

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:06 pm
yup

Reply hareli
November 4, 2011 – 2:24 pm
Was Wolfowitz still head of the World Bank when this was first planned?

Reply kapoore
November 4, 2011 – 2:32 pm
Great article. Now I guess I know what’s going on. Our civilian leadership could not be more idiotic. The American people are opposed to this war. Have we lost so much of our power that popular opinion really doesn’t matter?

This article and so much else makes me realize that no one is looking out for our interests, that if we end up destroying our economy and our military our president and Congress don’t care.

I simply don’t get the Israel thing, outside of people who grew up with the propaganda of “little Israel” and they aren’t paying attention anyway. For them, Israel can do no wrong no matter what. And the rest of us are screwed. Is that right?

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Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 3:42 pm
Kapoore, What we are working on next is how quiet our own leadership have been on this all week long. Mass media ignore our kick off piece, and we know that check us out everyday to see what we are doing.

We are spending a gazillion on security and have nothing to say about this??? They should be warning Israel about a pre-emptive strike, and let them chew on that…and make public exactly where their subs are, and do some mind gaming on them for a change.

Reply m6c9d2000
November 4, 2011 – 2:36 pm
Mr. Duff,

Why are my comments now being totally erased?

US Army Veteran,
Marc C. Daniele
Herculaneum, Mo.

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m6c9d2000
November 4, 2011 – 2:44 pm
Mr. Duff,

I guess by the fact you keep deleting my replies, you do not need, or want my support anymore?

US Army Veteran,
Marc C. Daniele
Herculaneum, Mo.

Reply Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 3:45 pm
Marc

I will look for your comments
g

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 7:57 pm
Marc

Ran your IP address…they didn’t show up. You are a regular poster here. Nobody was monitoring the site today, in fact, we crashed several times …….for some curious reason.
g

Reply Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 3:47 pm
Mark, The comment boards are monitored…and for good reason, as we have folks who think this is a post anything they feel like posting which it is not. Everything that is not posted we do for our readers, as their time is valuable.

One of the biggest problems we have is folks getting off topic, simply because they want to. It is not fair to the readers who are expecting comments on the article.

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Jackson
November 4, 2011 – 4:58 pm
– thats very paternalistic. ( and a bit insulting ) even if it does sway off topic a bit, id like to decide for myself if what people write is worth reading or not.

its really not that big a deal to skip over comments that “I” deem to be a waste of my time – thanks.

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:03 pm
Jackson,
You have demonstrated your difficult childhood at our expense one time too many.

You either learn to treat people and the site with respect, respond intelligently or move to Huffington Post.

Take this to note, It isn’t just you.

We have some brilliant people writing here. We also get idiots sent by the ADL who think we are a threat to their moronic organization that victimizes Jews.

I see them as closet antisemites and selfhating jews..to a one.

I can either have substantive and heated debate here but I won’t have childishness. We have a chatroom that is much less moderated and a separate website which has open comments so far.

Based on the quality of the writing staff, you might note that our comment boards are neither totally unmoderated nor will they allow unqualified folks to stay.

We have gotten many of our staff writers off our comment boards.

Reply Curmudgeon
November 4, 2011 – 2:44 pm
This article actually highlights the fact that the UN is a lap dog organization. Under the NPT, signatory nations are REQUIRED to come to the defence of any other signator attacked by a non signator.

If the UN weren’t the US lap dog, and the US weren’t Israel’s bitch, the scenario would play out like this: Israel attacks Iran, every other NPT signator (US, UK, France, Russia, Canada, China, etc.) attacks Israel. The turmoil in the Middle East ends.

As for futures, both the FBI and CIA track trades in real time. They know who has done what, even on the shorting just prior ro 9/11. Whether they want to name the culprtits is a different matter.

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:08 pm
Curm…

There are plenty of decent folks in both the CIA and FBI.

However, they will eventually be rooted out.

g

Reply AS
November 4, 2011 – 2:58 pm
this is really good stuff…

Reply dirt
November 4, 2011 – 3:20 pm
Gordon, telling everyone cheapens the schadenfreude. I TRADE ‘TSO’ AND OTHER VARIOUS ENERGY FOR A LIVING! Of course, not Halliburton though.

Reply dirt
November 4, 2011 – 3:48 pm
It’s a club, did you not recieve the questionaire for membership in the mail? What’s your handicap? Once you get in, you will recieve another set of rules that only apply to people that do not have membership. I guarentee you that is true. Theater. Did people actually think Israel, no matter how evil, could be that stupid? Chess is not limited to Russia.

Polar bears are rare, doesn’t matter if they are multiplying like rabbits. Ice sheets are melting, doesn’t matter if they’re growing at record rates. Oil is expensive, doesn’t matter that we have more than ever and it is not running out. Diamonds are expensive, doesn’t matter that we have enough 7 carrot diamonds for 100 billion people. Natural gas is rare, doesn’t matter that the US has enough for the entire planet for 200 years. People are starving, doesn’t matter if 4 US states can feed the world alone. Terrorists are everywhere, doesn’t matter that we have caught none. Radioactivity is deadly and cumalitive lifetime, doesn’t matter, just raise the acceptable levels higher. 30 pieces of silver is perhaps the most prophetic part of the bible. And so it goes……

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Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 3:56 pm
Dirt, This was really good. You should be a writer, You have the perfect pen name for it !!!

Reply Ken Rechtstein
November 4, 2011 – 5:27 pm
“Israel and Iran were caught making devious deals for financial gains that would have wrought tremendous damage to US and EU economy “.

Well, which one of two should we move against to teach it a lesson, or as a preemptive strike, so it will never be able to be a threat to us again, or should we go for them both?

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:12 pm
Ken

In Tehran, I am a “prominent broadcaster.”
In actuality, I feel like I am talking to myself.
It is quite frustrating.
g

Reply Edward Rynearson
November 4, 2011 – 5:42 pm
related link:

Rapidan Group sees oil price up by $175/bbl if Iran attacked
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2011/11/rapidan-group-sees-oil-price-up-by-175-bbl-if-iran-attacked.html

Reply gmathol
November 4, 2011 – 6:09 pm
I’m just reading the English newspapers and their comments on this – Brits are as happy as their American partners in crime to commit just another genocide.

Guess the Anglo/American crowd can’t commit crimes. What we believe is that the Third Reich has been resurrected in Washington, London, Paris and Tel-Aviv.

Surely the God bless Americans will think that murdering children and women is an act of heroism. Woppee lets serve ….

Reply wolf
November 4, 2011 – 6:15 pm
Gordon:
Inquiring minds want to know. Where did that cutlass-brandishing caricature of you come from? Curious how you are portrayed…dressed in Marine fatigues but with scarf and belt buckle off an Israeli flag. Whatever could be the meaning here?

Then there’s the not-so-subtle title: “DonkeyHotey”…i.e. Don Quixote..suggesting perhaps that you are ’tilting at windmills’? Maybe half a bubble off plumb?

But I think the hat might certainly be appropriate since, just like Morpheus aboard the ‘Nebuchadnezzar’, your pirate signal is breaking through the Matrix of lies and deception. You are the tip of the spear.

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DaveL
November 4, 2011 – 6:37 pm
I thought that was a caricature of “Benny nitwityahoo” . What did I miss?

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wolf
November 4, 2011 – 7:09 pm
haha..guess you’re right. It was right under GD’s pic and…there seems to be some similarity in the face or something. hmmm

Reply Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:17 pm
funny
My friend Jimmie lived next to nuttyahoo for 6 years. Every time I pick on nuttyahoo, i get yelled at.

Jimmie was Defense Attache to Israel for the US.

He still thinks 9/11 was a boxcutter job.

A few months ago, we were in Az with Jeff Gates and friends (lots of SEAL/SF types). Jimmie and I do martial arts demonstrations.

You should see them. As we get older they look more and more like bumfights.
g

Reply TJ Bronco
November 4, 2011 – 11:14 pm
Wolf -all Israel administered Lies- when you break down the accusations!…

Reply Matt
November 4, 2011 – 6:24 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen; I applaud the efforts and articles of the VT staff. I worked in DC in the corporate office of a Private Security firm, and had daily interaction with DHS. I moved to DC from NC and was shocked to find out just how poorly DC operated.

I was constantly in contact with Senators and Reps who honestly couldn’t hold a debate with my nephew, some of the staff I worked with were Vets who allowed themselves to be softened by dirty money and somehow forgot there morals and duties to this country.

My company placed a man as a supervisor at the Pentagon (which had the hardest physical requirements of all the sites), he had gout and other physical issues which I can assure would not have allowed to him to carry a 75 lb man up a single stair, much less the required 225 lb person up 4 flights. This is just a glimmer of what the Government views as “Securing” our interests.

If at this level we find it okay to allow men who were charged with “intent to kill” by means of a 9mm sidearm fit to work at a government site that requires use of a 9mm sidearm…then the prior acts of our Government is not at all a shock to me.

I really do appreciate the staff here at VT and follow these stories as often as I can. On a side note; I am concerned to see more DHS SUVs patrolling my roads here in NC. There are good people who intend to honor their oath and then there are those who put on a uniform with the intent to bully those who are less able to protect themselves.

Our world is on it’s ear and we are being driven down a road to certain cataclysms that will surely land us on an island of total control, which we can not operate, but rather beg the operators for a piss break.

I have no love for war and even less for murder, we can not afford to climb back into the trees but must rather stand firm against all tyranny both domestic and abroad. Let no person dictate your life folks, we must all be accountable for our actions. Good job Gordon and Jim, I truly appreciate the efforts of your team.

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:05 pm
Matt
Consider submitting things for publication.
We need every insider we can letting folks know how things really work.

I am a former lobbyist. I couldn’t take it anymore

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TJ Bronco
November 4, 2011 – 11:17 pm
Matt take photos night and day of these DHS SUV’s Document! They are probably down your street because of your thoughts. Did you think of this Do you care? I hope Not!

Reply DaveE
November 4, 2011 – 6:26 pm
Thanks for clarifying your position, guys. It makes a lot more sense the second (or third) time around. I apologize for thinking you were crazy. I think you could use a course or two in reasoning and clarity, but you ain’t crazy!

Reply OS
November 4, 2011 – 6:39 pm
Good story Gordon, made the right points…

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Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:10 pm
OS

I do love, on occasion, showing off that nasty education the US spent so many years giving me. This is me saying “thanks”
g

Reply dave
November 4, 2011 – 6:42 pm
Battlefield 3, the new videogame, is based on scenarios around Tehran and general death and destruction.

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Matt
November 4, 2011 – 6:48 pm
Yeah, these games were developed to bath kids in War and plant the seed of dissent towards other cultures…all of these games are backed by military officials. I grew up with a guy who created a flight simulator which is used by the military. We are a civilization force fed War as a civil duty which only profits those who will never step foot on a front line, and never stand over the body of a fallen friend…

Reply Gordon Duff
November 4, 2011 – 8:20 pm
I am in the bank building now. Using a 9800 gx2 with amd quad- black edition 3800…8 gigs of ram and get stuttering on “ultra”

game seems ‘arcadish” compared to COD

yes..sick politics.

much prefer medal of honor..their Afgh campaign top rate.

been a gamer since the beginning…commodore…atari….

Reply bobt
November 4, 2011 – 6:54 pm
Gordon
okay..so i think i know the answer to my question..but anyway..so who or what did we elect to go to washington and put an end to this crap.?
is it true once elected, you sign on, you get the secret handshake and the whispered word..of “this is how “we “do things..not you!”

.we all know ( some of us) that the new Nazi party ( Christianzionist right) want the real war to end it all ..figuring they will survive in there bunkers to come out to the new horizon of 600 million survivors that they own and control and i guess they can pass the wine and plastic bread.

im having a real hard time getting my somewhat immersed and somewhat educated head around the brains of these people…i thought i could understand “nuts” but
it can’t be the money..thats ridiculus..isnt it?

there may have to be a war..but not in iran. according to the Christans..”We” must be on the dark side..

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Matt
November 4, 2011 – 7:05 pm
Power creates money, money is created by these low vibration animals. They only want what they advertise to us as….”The American Dream”…only they no we will never achieve it, not to the level they have had handed to them. Once you have that kind of wealth you become one of them. IMHO.

Reply Virg
November 4, 2011 – 7:03 pm
Keepin’ coming, Gordon. You’re doing an excellent job of waking people up to what lies ahead.

Side note:

“Currently rather broad interpretations of the Torah cover all sorts of things, including war based on financial speculation.”

Zionist don’t believe in Torah because they’re atheist. They have the Babylonian Talmud (encyclopedia) to tell them how to act like Satan.

http://thetruenameofjesus.com/natural-israels-unbelievable-quotes-from-babylonian-talmud-todays-new-circumcision-pharasee-doctrine-wake-up

Natural Israel’s Unbelievable Quotes from Babylonian Talmud, Today’s New Circumcision Pharasee Doctrine ;Wake UP

excerpt:

Quotations from the Talmud 1. Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim (Gentile) is like killing a wild animal.”

2. Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

3. Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.” Oooops! You Don’t say satan

4. Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”

5. Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”

6. Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”

7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”

8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”

9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”

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Jim W. Dean
November 4, 2011 – 10:38 pm
Gee, This stuff sounds like the old comments boards before we started clearing out the folks carrying baggage around ALL the time!!

Reply fred
November 4, 2011 – 10:41 pm
I dunno whether to laugh at how ridiculous this article is or to crawl under my desk and cry!

But it would not surpise me… i bet greece and euro bs goiing down the same way in the sense that stock market around the world have been on a yr long roller coaster ride with corrupt politicians and bankers… if they can cook the books in the billion trillions… imagine what they can do with inside info that jolts the global markets daily? The house always wins!

But with iran…. if they can pull this off they deserve what ever they get out of it .. iranans and isreali’s working as a team.. there will be so much whining and bitching and cheating… if it doesnt backfire bigger then 911 i’d be thoroughly impressed…. but alsi with OWS riots i dont think its as thrilling for the united states.. pentagon might have to sit on the sidelines (for once but i doubt it) unless burning and looting is something they can live with when gas goes to $6…

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fred
November 4, 2011 – 11:12 pm
Just looking at the msm… looks like final mindfucking efforts are in place for the US cattle…. and we got iran surounded… i wonder what the final trigger will be? The asassination attempt on the saudi just wasnt good enough.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/04/american-veterans-publication-accused-of-israeli-attack-leak/

One response to “Nov 4th_ VT Accused Of Thwarting Israeli Plan

  1. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/04/american-veterans-publication-accused-of-israeli-attack-leak/

    Virg
    November 4, 2011 – 7:03 pm
    Keepin’ coming, Gordon. You’re doing an excellent job of waking people up to what lies ahead.

    Side note:

    “Currently rather broad interpretations of the Torah cover all sorts of things, including war based on financial speculation.”

    Zionist don’t believe in Torah because they’re atheist. They have the Babylonian Talmud (encyclopedia) to tell them how to act like Satan.

    http://thetruenameofjesus.com/natural-israels-unbelievable-quotes-from-babylonian-talmud-todays-new-circumcision-pharasee-doctrine-wake-up

    Natural Israel’s Unbelievable Quotes from Babylonian Talmud, Today’s New Circumcision Pharasee Doctrine ;Wake UP

    excerpt:

    Quotations from the Talmud 1. Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim (Gentile) is like killing a wild animal.”

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.” Oooops! You Don’t say satan

    4. Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”

    5. Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”

    6. Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”

    7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”

    8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”

    9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”

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