Oct 28th 2011
Jesus in the Talmud, What is this?
by Tom Valentine
It is more than a ‘scholarly’ book, published in 1943 by Princeton University press; It is notable for finding factual references to the life of Jesus in caustic Rabbinic texts, and for being a counterbalance to the infamous Talmudic tradition that it’s okay to lie and deceive us ‘goy.’ I review this book as best I can from the position of an aroused and thinking Christian goy.
The cruel canard‘anti-Semitic’ does not apply for many reasons, not the least of which is the simple fact that the slanderous word itself is derived from language games for purposes of propaganda and in real world context has no validity.
Since the‘Semites’ referred to are no such thing and the powerful Talmudists have earned enmity and disrespect through word and deed for 2000 years, as this’scholarly’ book ascertains, I utterly reject the label anti-Semitic, however I proudly wear the tag that I am profoundly anti the‘Conspiracy of Zion.’
With that out of the way, let’s consider this book that is available from Amazon.com where customer reviews are posted. I will not review the reviews. You can check them in a jiffy.
Essentially we learn that there were two original Talmud sources the first in Palestine (The Jerusalem Talmud Schafer says; but typically it was not in Jerusalem where the Pharisees and scribes wrote this stuff in Aramaic, but about 60 miles away in another town probably because the Romans had destroyed Jerusalem a few years before these writings were written.
The‘Babylonian Talmud’ was scribed over a few hundred years duration in Babylonian cities, commencing about a hundred years after the Rabbi sect moved away from emerging Christianity into the‘cradle of civilization’, where they felt more free to attack Jesus.
Schafer accepts many details from the earlier writings over the later because they reflect the culture and times when Jesus Lived and performed his‘magic.’ The scribes adhering to the G-d tradition never wrote the name of the person they ridiculed, So Schafer can only infer they are writing about the Jesus of the New Testament.
In a classic irony, the writings of those who wish to claim Jesus never existed, literally confirm not only his existence but the early dates for writers of the Gospels. Essentially the‘synagogue of Satan’ published validation of their worst enemy his existence and his miracles as they denigrate both.
You cannot read this book quickly, you must invest considerable concentration, after all, it is‘scholarly.’
I have also read‘Judaism Discovered’ by Michael Hoffman, a book I heartily recommend for anyone wanting to try understanding the basis for controversy, wars, and bitter hatreds during the past 2000+ years.
This issue is most important in these times when the 2000-year war is coming to a head.
October 28, 2011 – 10:41 am
Some examples from the vile Talmud Mr Valentine (courtesy of Brother Nathanael of RZN – a former Jew, now a baptized Russian Orthodox Christian):
“‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)[’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)“Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness & refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a) “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell & be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)
P.S. Do not confuse Yeshua with Yashu. Yeshua is the Greek name for Jesus and the hebrew word for “salvation”.
Reply Tom Valentine
October 28, 2011 – 11:56 am
Derek, all the vile statements about Christ are in this book, the interesting thing is this particular’s approach and is differences with other ‘scholars.’ I learned many years ago about the Talmud from Elizabeth Dilling and it is only in the past decade or so, with Internet playing a big role that us goy even heard there was such a book. I went thru school, the Navy and more school in the 1950s and heard nary a word. Wonder why that was? It is hard for me to understand responders to these columns who obviously have heard about it assuming that the columnist knows nothing of the alleged names for Jesus. This book spends a lot of time and effort on that very question. Perhaps I should let comments that presume I don’t know such an obvious detail slide.
October 28, 2011 – 12:34 pm
Tbh I was unaware of this book too until I read about it over the internet. They have tried to keep it hidden. Thanks to some honest ex-Jews we know the truth.
Reply Tom Valentine
October 28, 2011 – 12:05 pm
Derek, I just re-read the review and I think the confusion stems from the statement that Schafer had to “infer” when those old rabbin were talking about Jesus. The author’s reasoning for his interpretation of the very old scribbles are what make this book particularly interesting. It is not a quick and easy read, but in this timeless controversy that effects so many millions of people it is worth time, effort and thought.
Reply Tom Valentine
October 28, 2011 – 12:08 pm
pss, Derek, I have not been impressed with Bro Nathaniel’s blog stuff at all. A gut feeling, only. for what that is worth.
October 28, 2011 – 12:33 pm
I can see where you are coming from but he would not lie about whats in that book. He is also one who can translate it properly for us goyim. I must admit it took me a long time to get used to his look (reminds me of a KKK member) but he is an honest man with a heart of gold and nothing on his blog has been disproved. In fact he gets death threats for exposing the truth.
October 28, 2011 – 3:02 pm
Ever wonder where “kiddie porn” comes from?
Kethuboth 11b (Talmud): discusses sex with a minor…..this poster learned of this wickedness, originally, in Dr. Ted Pike’s book, “Israel: Our Duty, Our Dilemma”, page 34.
Reply Tom Valentine
October 28, 2011 – 3:11 pm
Pike writes many provocatie things. Are you absolutely sure he is not playing a BI or British Israel game? Has he ever blasted the ‘earthly kingdom concepts?’ I don’t have more than a suspicious nature to support this caution, but I have been on top of the BI’s for a long, long time. Check out previous column ‘Divide and Conquer thru belief.’
Reply Gary Walker
October 28, 2011 – 4:34 pm
“The Romans had destroyed Jerusalem before these writings were written.” So that places “these writings” after the year 70, about 40 years after the death of the supposed Jehoshua. And about the same time that most scholars place the earliest gospel, Mark. So, how does this add anything to
verify the existence of the Bible Jesus?
And no writers, including Jesus (could he write?), left us any evidence that he touched down in Jerusalem about the year O. There is no contemporary writing, as far as I know, that mentions the dude.
So I will remain a skeptic of the historical pagan jew, Jesus. It is all make believe.
Reply Tom Valentine
October 28, 2011 – 6:00 pm
Gary, you have every right to be a skeptic, but you have missed an historic fact, Ever hear about Jamnia?
It was the town where the pharisee Sanhedrin fled prior to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. They bailed out even before the Christians went to Pella. They set up in Jamnia prior to the year to the year 70, and the ‘Jerusalem Talmud’ was put together there. They did not move to the area of Babylon for a century, and did not produce the ‘so-called Babylonian/ Talmud for another century or so. The translation of the Aramaic of the earlier Talmud is contrasted with the latter by this author; this is the key to its flavor.
Reply T Allinn
October 28, 2011 – 6:13 pm
maybe siva is the ghost to consult instead, this halloween, possibly Bruce Lee or maybe even Hercules, after all, it is almost an election year, & for lord, prince charles, for that matter elect yerself for represenative something something, all part of the plan, I meen “set-up”, besides isn’t that other character due to magically re-incarnate 1rst ?, stick to the propaganda, vaudvillean, I meen script, shakespearein aka mass consciouss control & info/entertainment,,, out & he walked on down the hall, un”
Reply Tom Valentine
October 28, 2011 – 6:17 pm
T.Allinn,that post is incoherent babble.
Reply Ed Kendrick
October 28, 2011 – 6:53 pm
http://ReDiscover911.com and the world will rid itself of the Talmudists.
It wasn’t muslims.
October 28, 2011 – 9:57 pm
I really think this is an important topic, Tom. Very important. It’s almost like a key to everything.
I have only become aware of what’s in the Talmud during the past year—after all these years of my life, and all my education, and in spite of all the learned and well-read people I hang out with. One PhD goy I know, when I tried to tell him, replied: “Oh, there’s nothing to that. The Talmud is just a musty collection of commentaries by rabbis. It’s of no relevance except to scholars.” And when I told him he should read some of it, because he would be shocked, he just shrugged it off.
To my knowledge very few goyim know anything about the Talmud. Maybe most Jews know, maybe they don’t. But just the way, as a white person, I know how other white people feel about black Africans, how they talk candidly about them when they think it’s “safe” to do so; in that same way I suspect that most Jews understand how their kind feels, in general, about goyim—-because they hear what is said behind closed doors. (If any Jews are here reading this, I invite them to comment on that point.) Not every person born a Jew feels superior to goyim, but surely they are all aware of that ugly undercurrent within their culture. And I wonder: Do they realize just how bad the Talmud is? Or is that known only to the scholars and the extremists?
Taking that thought further: My suspicion is that Americans are directed to fear and despise “white supremacists”—those stereotypical well-armed WASPish skinhead types—as a distraction, so that we will not recognize or focus our attention on JEWISH SUPREMACISTS—who incidentally never appear on any government- or watchdog-organization list of dangerous persons; but maybe they should. Their weapons and tactics are more subtle than those of the skinhead, but they pose a much greater threat. “White racism” in America has been identified in the popular imagination as a phenomenon primarily of Southern Baptists and working-class Catholics. Never any mention of racism among white Jews—as if such a thing simply couldn’t happen; as if it were some kind of impossibility or oxymoron. How easily we are persuaded to accept the memes that are given to us!—like my friend who thinks he knows all about the Talmud he’s never read.
My introduction to the dangers of Talmudism came from Jeff Gates’ book, which also introduced me to Israel Shahak’s work. I am now working my way through Elizabeth Dilling and Douglas Reed. Mark Twain also wrote a provocative and insightful essay for Harper’s in 1898, which I think explains why he has receded from view in recent years as an American author. It’s not because the word “nigger” appears in Huck Finn; it’s because of what Twain said about the Jews. I think I’m going to need an entire shelf of such works, so I can develop my knowledge and share what I know. I may eventually buy my own Talmud, the whole enchilada, though it is expensive. I don’t want anyone telling me, “Oh, that’s just some baloney you found on the internet; the real Talmud doesn’t say that.”
This needs to get out. This is what they most fear we will come to understand about how they work. How will they deny what is in their own sacred tracts? How will they explain to the Christian zionists what their rabbis said about Mary and Jesus? How will they explain their Yom Kippur prayer where they absolve themselves of any obligation to honor promises or tell goyim the truth?