Rothschild Banker Calls for End of Euro

Rothschild Banker Calls for End of Euro

Thursday, October 13, 2011 – by Staff Report

Norman LamontWhy the euro bailout is the biggest Ponzi scheme in history … By Norman Lamont (left) … The recent decision by the Bank of England to pump another £75billion into the economy shows that Britain, far from recovering, remains on the edge of another dip. But what happens to the British and world economy is, to a large extent, out of our hands. The greatest threat to our economic future is what is happening in the eurozone. The scale of the euro crisis has made one thing abundantly plain: Europe, Britain and the rest of the world would be better off if the euro had never happened. It would be preferable if it were now dismantled in an orderly manner. – Daily Mail/Norman Lamont

Dominant Social Theme: No matter what, the euro and the EU will survive! It’s the most important thing in the history of humankind. If the euro unravels, humanity will face endless horror and war. Plus Brussels will slip back into obscurity.

Free-Market Analysis: Well, what does this mean? One could speculate that the Rothschilds – maybe the richest and most powerful family in the world – have decided to wind down the EU experiment. One would like to think so anyway …

We believe the Rothschilds are perhaps the chief central banking family in the world, with tremendous, almost unfathomable clout. In the mainstream press, however, it must be noted that the Rothschilds are portrayed as family whose great wealth has been dissipated and that they have no more power than numerous mid-level banking dynasties. Yet in our view, based on an overall pattern of financial activities past and present, the Rothschilds have enormous power, far more than the mainstream press ordinarily acknowledges, probably for obvious reasons.

Such “central banking families” (though chiefly the Rothschilds) are likely behind the EU, not the Germans or “socialists” or any other group ordinarily mentioned. The great Anglosphere banking families and their enablers have spent a lot of time trying to combine nations into larger regions from what we can tell, and Europe was to be their biggest success. The idea was that these regions would serve as stepping-stones for global government.

In order to signal a change in policy, Money Power uses a variety of resources. It is surely necessary to make a signal to the public if one wants to, say, detach from the euro, and at least two big signals seem to have appeared recently, among a number of smaller ones. Such analysis is speculative of course, but Lamont’s article is a powerful one and it could have a meaning beyond one man’s personal opinion.

Another such blunt article recently appeared in Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine, a very negative assessment of the euro; now Norman Lamont, a former Rothschild banker, has elaborated on the euro’s failure in the UK Daily Mail. It is true that Lamont has a reputation as a Eurosceptic, but the article joins a number of negative articles that have appeared in the Anglosphere mainstream press of late. And Lamont’s stands out because of its bluntness. At the very least, it is a sign of the times.

Who is he, exactly? Wikipedia gives his title as Baron Lamont of Lerwick and reminds us that he is “best-known for his period serving as Chancellor of the Exchequer, from 1990 until 1993.” Lamont was chancellor under John Major; in fact, he had been a key supporter of Major after Margaret Thatcher lost favor and ultimately power because of her opposition to the EU-centric Maastricht Treaty. Before entering Parliament he worked for investment bank N M Rothschild & Sons and was director of Rothschild Asset Management. Here’s some more from the article:

Eurozone leaders are already drawing up plans to get round their national parliaments to increase funding [to alleviate the sovereign crisis] if necessary Yet leaders of eurozone countries appear determined to keep the show on the road, however much voters and their parliaments object to the project. Never mind that the €440 billion fund is already considered too little too late — or that the European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso resorted yesterday to demanding Britain helps bail out Greece even though we’re not a member of the eurozone …

Euroscepticism is on the rise everywhere in Europe. European politicians know well that fiscal and political union of eurozone countries, with an economic policy determined by Germany, is not going to be acceptable to the eurozone’s voters. Citizens do not want decisions on taxes and spending determined outside their own nation. Because of mounting opposition to the rescue plan, Mrs Merkel’s policy at each stage has been to do the minimum necessary to keep the currency afloat. But this has not restored confidence, and the Americans have become increasingly alarmed at the threat the euro poses to the world. There are no easy answers.

The uncomfortable truth is that, instead of rescuing it, it would probably have been better if Greece had been allowed to default. That would have hurt French banks holding Greek bonds. But the problem would have been containable and it would have been far better to have got the crisis over with, than to allow it to fester while writing large cheques that are going to create as many problems as they solve. There comes a point where the political costs of rescuing the euro are too high. As Winston Churchill once observed, if we do not face reality, reality will face us. It would be better to recognise that the euro experiment has failed.

Strong stuff from an insider’s insider. Does it indicate a shift at the very top? We’ve tracked the unraveling of numerous elite dominant social themes in the past few years, always pointing out that the growing Internet Reformation would make it difficult for the power elite to pursue their globalist ambitions. We’ve written on many occasions that we believe the elites eventually may be forced to “take a step back” as they evidently did after the advent of the Gutenberg Press.

The Gutenberg Press and the information it spread prepared the ground for the Protestant Reformation and the schism of the Roman Catholic Church. In the process, the Western world experienced both the Renaissance and the Reformation, events that reignited science and resulted eventually in much freer markets for a rising merchant class and the populating of the New World.

The alternative media is often gloomy about the expanding progress of the new world order, but we’ve always believed it would be a very difficult thing to implement. Money Power may seek global governance, but it’s a massive undertaking and in the era of the Internet it grows harder every day.

The elites have tended to try to shove reluctant middle classes toward one-world government via dominant social themes, fear-based promotions that frighten people into giving up power and wealth to globalist solutions. But in the 21st century these promotions have begun to sputter and fail, depriving the Anglosphere familial elites and their enablers useful tools.

Afghanistan was a war that should have been won, or so the elites apparently thought, but enthusiasm for its prosecution has long since waned. It looks like a loss now. Global warming has been rebutted so many times by the alternative media that is now looked upon with skepticism in the mainstream media as well. Even central banking itself – the ability to print money from nothing – once the elite’s “sacred cow” and perhaps its most important meme, has come under sustained attack.

These fear-based promotions, along with others, are in trouble. And now it looks as if the grand dream of the EU and a continent-wide currency may be foundering as well, in the long-term if not the short. Now Lamont signals what is increasingly obvious: That the EU, or at least the euro, is a failing or failed experiment.

If the Anglosphere is indeed surrendering its dream of a steppingstone to world government via the EU, this would be huge news and further affirmation of the paradigm we promote concerning the Internet Reformation, and its impact.

Of course, the internationalist’s dream dies hard. Alternative scenarios regarding global consolidation seem increasingly available, as we have pointed out recently. One fallback is probably to let the EU fall into chaos along with America and China, and then propose some sort of world government as a solution. (But we don’t think this was the primary plan.) Another set of plans may have to do with memes we believe we have detected regarding “transparency” and now, via Occupy Wall Street, “direct democracy.”

Conclusion: These portmanteau dominant social themes may be the next mechanisms to promote world government. Money Power never gives up after all. But if the EU and/or the euro are somehow struck down, we would count it as a blow to the Conspiracy. Time will tell.

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Posted by LloydMiller on 10/14/11 08:31 PM

Rothbard said they pulled together, after bitter conflict, to fight World War II and share the spoils. After WWII, Seigmund Warburg, for instance, moved to London. I talked to Rothbard personally about this and though very interested in the conflict of ruling class factions was, in my opinion, far too attracted to the dominant (in conspiracy land) “unification” of the elite concept. The Kennedy Assassination, Watergate, NeoCon ascendency, Obama Muslim/Rockefeller counter-attack, is a pretty clear evidence to me how the battle was not over.

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Posted by peri1224 on 10/14/11 05:09 AM
You are making it appear that Kuhn Loeb Warburg (+Schiff of “Russian” Revolution fame) were a separate power from the Rothschilds, instead of Rothschild agents. That is a new theory for me and would change a lot on the big picture. Could you please clarify this more?

Yes, of course, that is what I am saying! The Warburgs and Rothschilds, as Court Jews for warring entities were also rivals. No accident that the Germans supported Lenin’s train into Russia AND the Warburgs via their New York branch Kuhn Loeb helped Trotsky! Further, it was no accident that Germany wanted Russia out of WWI and Britain wanted Russia IN THE WAR! Further, the Rothschilds financed the GREAT enemy oil firms of the Rockefellers: Royal Dutch Shell and BP! Further, John D Rockefeller’s brother camped out for years working with Kuhn Loeb to raise money to build Standard Oil in the teeth of Eastern Establishment demonization and regulation. It was JP Morgan, acting for Britain, who pushed Progressivism to reign in the “BAD TRUSTS”, ie. Rockefeller/Standard Oil.

This is not to say, of course, that the Warburgs and Rothschilds would not co-operate upon occasion. There was a little intermarriage and share Boards of Directors, but they served different masters.

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Posted by ArielMalek on 10/14/11 07:58 PM

Posted by peri1224 on 10/14/11 11:08 AM
It would be beautiful if true. But ever since the times of Jesus Christ the money changers have only become stronger, and now they threaten to take over the world. In a sense one could say that the losing streak of Jesus has now been lasting 2000 years, and so far there is no betterment in sight. Under these circumstances the message of remaining faithful, even at the cost of getting burned by the worldly powers, is not a very attractive one. There must be something more.

Sir,
There is something more-more than meets the eye. Whether one looks at the Bible or human history, rightly discerned, one sees that the movement and Kingdom Christ began is not and has not been losing. The problem is that we humans tend to want to go by our own very finite human reasoning and agenda, and fail to comprehend God’s strategy birthed from the beginning of creation. God through Christ’s first agenda is winning hearts and redeeming souls, then secondarily reclaiming the “turf” or land masses, nations and institutions and cultures which will then follow. But we tend to look on externalities and see merely outward symptoms and manifestations rather than the actual essence of things. But eg if one examines the growth of followers of Jesus Christ, the aggregate of which is called the church, one sees neither decline or even arthmetic, but exponential growth in absolute numbers of converts as well as in terms of the ratio of believers to non-believers over the approximately 2000 years since Jesus came. Many of other figures could be cited but suffice to say the growth of the church (again the aggregate of believers, not some man-made denominational organization) is growing in astounding numbers all over the world (except perhaps in the European and US areas which have been seduced with secularism). But with regard to the growth of worldly powers, that sir, has not caught God and Christ off-guard; indeed His word the Bible plainly declares in prophecies that in the last days such would be the case, but to not be alarmed or caught off guard about it. EG it plainly shows that one-world government with a one-world religion would come upon the earth. But again the Lord says to not fear but trust Him. People often seek to belittle and throw stones at the Bible usually blindly without any open-minded/hearted examination. And one could offer many convincing proofs for the Book of Books, but I will just mention one which proves its supernatural origin and content. Unlike the holy books of any other religion, the Bible offers a vast number of prophecies, of which a large percentage of them of which are not only quite specific and beyond human capability to produce, but have in fact been fulfilled. Two instances of these are the almost 300 ancient prophecies of the Hebrew prophets about the Messiah all of which Jesus Christ precisely fulfilled. And in our recent history the prophecies about the nation of Israel given thousands of years before but which include eg the restoration of Israel as a nation in one day (1948 the UN), a second exodus from the north back to the land (recent years return of multitudes of Jews from the former Soviet Union back to the land), and the fact that Jerusalem would become a “stumbling stone” and a thing of contention to the nations of the world. Also the rise of the ugly head of anti-semitism which is becoming increasingly prevalent.
Back to the issue at hand, with regard to the rise of worldly and evil powers, again if you search the Scriptures, you will find again that all this was prophesied along with God’s promises that He is able to keep His people who put their lives in His hand and trust Him. One cannot be certain when these things will be fulfilled until it happens, and many will scoff and ridicule such things. But two things are certain here, when such global government does come down the pike, no one, regardless of how learned or wealthy will be able to escape that hand of evil apart from God and Christ. And secondly, millions and millions of us through 2000 years of history have proven in our own lives that this God of Bible revealed in Messiah Jesus is well able to provide for and protect even in the most threatening circumstances.
Bottom-line, sir, we can either fret and curse the darkness and descend into hopelessness and despair; or we can light a candle (metaphorically) of the Light of the World that has only continued to blaze brighter over the past two millenia, and have a sure hope, peace and confidence knowing all will be well with us, regardless of our earthly circumstances and estate.
I can only encourage any and all to neither blindly nor blithely reject these truths (realities) that have stood the test of time and culture, but to sincerely search them-keep seeking, keep asking and keep knocking-with an open heart and mind and find out for yourself.

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Posted by chad2 on 10/14/11 11:23 AM

After reading all these comments a profound thing comes to mind: Maddness! haha! All that’s missing is to talk about the possiblity of green people showing up to save the EU! haha! The conclusion is always the same no matter the topic. Truely man’s thoughts must submit to some type of guidance in common or we just end up in madness. I submit to you this guidance is The Bible. Bring this stable foundation into your thoughts and we won’t have to talk about the green people showing up…

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Posted by peri1224 on 10/14/11 11:08 AM

Posted by David_Robertson on 10/14/11 10:25 AM
I agree about the Global Settlements. The idea that there is some group of highly placed wealthy insiders, in the natural realm, who are actually working for the good of humanity, who are seeking to undermine the system to destroy the “bad guys” and then plan to enable mankind to grow and develop their new world in peace and plenty is for me just not credible.

It also flies in the face of what I believe the Bible teaches about God’s plans for mankind which are very good but in a different way entirely. Our destiny is spiritual not material wealth. God became Man so that Man might become God. Anyone offering a world of material peace and plenty is not of God. There is peace for Man but only in Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace. This is the next stage of Man’s evolution that is at the door. Those who will enable that development are the sons of God not some wealthy benefactors.

These sons of God are in symbol the “Body of Christ” and this is a spiritual Body that will be revealed from Heaven in due time. The Body is composed of those followers of the Lord Jesus Christ who have gained the victory through Him over the flesh the world and the devil within themselves over the past two thousand years and have entered into their allotment in the all things in Him.

It would be beautiful if true. But ever since the times of Jesus Christ the money changers have only become stronger, and now they threaten to take over the world. In a sense one could say that the losing streak of Jesus has now been lasting 2000 years, and so far there is no betterment in sight. Under these circumstances the message of remaining faithful, even at the cost of getting burned by the worldly powers, is not a very attractive one. There must be something more.

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Posted by Dr. S. on 10/14/11 10:49 AM

This:

“The Gutenberg Press and the information it spread prepared the ground for the Protestant Reformation and the schism of the Roman Catholic Church. In the process, the Western world experienced both the Renaissance and the Reformation, events that reignited science and resulted eventually in much freer markets for a rising merchant class and the populating of the New World.”

Don’t you see that this is part of the “conspiracy” that you propose? The ideas that man’s whole meaning was earthly and self-defined, that ease and comfort were to be sought over truth and virtue came to be defined through the working out of the refutation of the synthesis of Western thought carried out from the beginning of Christianity to the High Middle Ages.

If man is little more than a consumer, economics must ultimately be devoted to giving him things to consume. For it to work, sustainably, however, economics must be based on justice and on the truth that man’s destiny exceeds the mundane.

You’re good at spotting villains, but you’re not seeing virtue.

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We don’t recognize the Renaissance in your description …

Posted by David_Robertson on 10/14/11 10:25 AM

Posted by memehunter on 10/13/11 05:33 PM
Thanks for the detailed reply.

Yes, I heard about the Settlements but I am extremely skeptical about them, whether fiat currencies or gold. Apart from the fact that I question their existence, I don’t necessarily see why adding more gold to the system would do anything, as this is basically inflation (or GQE – “golden quantitative easing”). Yes, it adds liquidity but I fail to see how it can, in itself, “reboot” the system. Hasn’t Bernanke been doing essentially the same, albeit with a debt-based fiat currency, for a couple of years now?

Perhaps DB or someone more qualified than I am on economical questions could answer that.

I read Weir’s articles on Wishes and Rainbows two years ago and was not sure what to think of them. It is intriguing, to be sure, especially given the fact that these books were put out by the Fed.

Clif High (Half Past Human) seems to suggest that the bankers themselves will be very surprised by this sudden turn of events (Oct 15-17) and will end up as the losers, according to his predictions. We will see…

I agree about the Global Settlements. The idea that there is some group of highly placed wealthy insiders, in the natural realm, who are actually working for the good of humanity, who are seeking to undermine the system to destroy the “bad guys” and then plan to enable mankind to grow and develop their new world in peace and plenty is for me just not credible.

It also flies in the face of what I believe the Bible teaches about God’s plans for mankind which are very good but in a different way entirely. Our destiny is spiritual not material wealth. God became Man so that Man might become God. Anyone offering a world of material peace and plenty is not of God. There is peace for Man but only in Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace. This is the next stage of Man’s evolution that is at the door. Those who will enable that development are the sons of God not some wealthy benefactors.

These sons of God are in symbol the “Body of Christ” and this is a spiritual Body that will be revealed from Heaven in due time. The Body is composed of those followers of the Lord Jesus Christ who have gained the victory through Him over the flesh the world and the devil within themselves over the past two thousand years and have entered into their allotment in the all things in Him.

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I agree about the Global Settlements. The idea that there is some group of highly placed wealthy insiders, in the natural realm, who are actually working for the good of humanity, who are seeking to undermine the system to destroy the “bad guys” and then plan to enable mankind to grow and develop their new world in peace and plenty is for me just not credible.

We never found it credible. It sounds like a bad comic or a Hollywood superhero movie …

Posted by peri1224 on 10/14/11 09:56 AM

DB: It is all speculation, even Dr. Rothbard’s educated approach. One can only look at historical patterns – that the Internet has finally provided – as the documents are not available or are no longer in existence

Wow, according to this theory nothing is knowable or provable anymore and we are purely left to idle speculation. Sherlock Holmes wouldn’t be happy that approach.

Probably there are still a lot of documents and knowledge about historical happenings if one cares do do a little sleuthing. But certainly the culprits wouldn’t help pointing sleuths in the right direction.

At any rate, LloydMiller should explain his basis for claiming that Kuhn Loeb Warburg and the Rothschilds were in different or opposing camps, because that goes against what is generally known about it.

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We didn’t say it is impossible to determine what is going on, only that documents are not available and in lieu of DEFINITIVE documents and witnesses, patterns such as what the Internet offers are very helpful … These inevitably lead to speculative (if informed) conclusions, not ones based on absolute evidence.

Posted by HugoHolland on 10/14/11 07:42 AM

Hi Dailybell,

I always find the role of the Rothshields an interesting one. It put me on the trail of Ferdinand Lips. He was managing director of Rothschild Bank AG in Zurich. Quite high in the tree if u ask me. He openly spoke that he expected the EU to fail and maybe the Euro as well. From his 2005 GATA speech;

… .’The Brussels bureaucracy of unelected officials is a monster’

… .’The EU in its present form will fail and maybe the euro will fail as well.’

for the rest see Click to view link

So Iam not that sure the Rothshields are behind it all. Maybe in the beginning but now?

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Posted by English Chris on 10/14/11 05:57 AM

Posted by David_Robertson on 10/13/11 05:12 PM
@ DB “So, no, the EU is something the elites wanted to work in our humble view. If it doesn’t work … onto the next global manipulation. But it’s still likely a setback, and we would argue a big one.”

This would seem to agree to some extent with Bix Weir’s view of “good guys” and “bad guys” although you might put the Internet in the “good guy” role.

Now, what if they do want to collapse the EU (and the global banking system starting with the euro) because they believe that they have learned all they want about that form of government or it has served their purposes long enough and they want to usher in a new form of government that no-one would expect them to do since everyone has been mesmerised by the revelations of their centuries of machinations and sees them as the ultimate practitioners of the black arts.

They can now emerge as the “good guys” riding to the rescue and sacrifice all their minions or at least a good proportion of them in the cause of global justice. I have believed for some time that the Crash would start in Europe so this may well be it. From then on it will accelerate and this time there will be no rescue by the governments who will all suffer a similar fate along with the political, religious, judicial and economic elites. At least that is what I believe. The rest I have written elsewhere.

“What if they do want to collapse the EU” into chaos – then when the people of Europe have had enough of the chaos (using the large hostile foreign population as the aggravating ingredient) they can recreate it to solve the peoples problems.

The DB has not written much about the elite’s use of immigration as a multifaceted weapon. Would love to read some speculation about that particular hot potato and potential fire cracker.

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Posted by AlephNull on 10/14/11 05:51 AM

Probably not off topic :

Conference: Preparing for Euro Breakup – Introduced by Nigel Farage

Click to view link

2 Hours

• Professor Dr. Wilhelm Hankel , Website: Click to view link

• Professor Dr. Philipp Bagus , Website: Click to view link

Very interesting .. especially for the uniniated
… maybe the zEUro-Politicians should listen !

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Posted by peri1224 on 10/14/11 05:09 AM

Posted by LloydMiller on 10/14/11 12:19 AM
No, polycentric just means more than on center of power. In the remote past, centers of power were geographic, but with modern communications, not necessarily.

Murray Rothbard wrote a great piece on the Rockefeller-Morgan conflict in America. . .2 factions of the ruling class. Morgan’s power was based on his association with the City, and the Bank of England, specifically Morgan Grenfell in London.

The Rockefellers were financed by Kuhn Loeb which was the Warburg Bank, thus representing German capital. The Morgan and Rockefeller financial empires interpenetrated each other in America just as British and German capital competed around the world.

The Germans were pro-Vatican and the British anti (of course!). This stuggle continues in a complicated fashion regarding Islam (German-Rockefeller/Big Oil Ally): See A-albionic Research Click to view link

Almost everyone has enough data to put this together, but they love the “MASTER CONSPIRACY” theory and thus ignored the conflict in the elite.

You are making it appear that Kuhn Loeb Warburg (+Schiff of “Russian” Revolution fame) were a separate power from the Rothschilds, instead of Rothschild agents. That is a new theory for me and would change a lot on the big picture. Could you please clarify this more?

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It is all speculation, even Dr. Rothbard’s educated approach. One can only look at historical patterns – that the Internet has finally provided – as the documents are not available or are no longer in existence …

Posted by LloydMiller on 10/14/11 12:19 AM

No, polycentric just means more than on center of power. In the remote past, centers of power were geographic, but with modern communications, not necessarily.

Murray Rothbard wrote a great piece on the Rockefeller-Morgan conflict in America. . .2 factions of the ruling class. Morgan’s power was based on his association with the City, and the Bank of England, specifically Morgan Grenfell in London.

The Rockefellers were financed by Kuhn Loeb which was the Warburg Bank, thus representing German capital. The Morgan and Rockefeller financial empires interpenetrated each other in America just as British and German capital competed around the world.

The Germans were pro-Vatican and the British anti (of course!). This stuggle continues in a complicated fashion regarding Islam (German-Rockefeller/Big Oil Ally): See A-albionic Research Click to view link

Almost everyone has enough data to put this together, but they love the “MASTER CONSPIRACY” theory and thus ignored the conflict in the elite.

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This is your big secret analysis? You think we are unaware of Rothbard perspective? They fight with each other but at the end of the day they pull together.

Posted by chad2 on 10/14/11 12:06 AM

Correct definition of polycentrism. You see the world is coming together in regions, I call them “unions” The European Union, the North american union, the african union, the Russian union (if you heard putin lately), south american union, etc… Get the picture? So the EU is here for good, they just need to take that pesky sovereign stuff away from all the countries… WWIII will be all about taking that away, that pesky US constitution you see… The world can then balance trade and power across the seven contenients with about ten leaders with controled trade/military balances etc… Of course locally the people must be satisfied with some type of local democracy but never like the so called obsolete US constitution…

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Posted by chad2 on 10/13/11 11:35 PM

Wow! I was about to write what the guy did below me, yet would have not attacked the daily bell🙂 Polycentric is the perfect term. There will eventually be ten over seven contents. The elites will not and cannot back away from this movement, it’s all they know…

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Polycentrism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Polycentrism is the principle of organization of a region around several political, social or financial centres. Examples of polycentric cities include the Ruhr area in Germany, and Stoke-on-Trent in the UK. Today, the former is a large city that grew from a dozen smaller cities, the latter a federation of six smaller towns. As a result, these “cities” have no single centre, but several. A further example is Randstad in the Netherlands.

A county is said to be polycentric if its population is distributed almost evenly among several centres in different parts of the county.

The theory of polycentrism was coined by Palmiro Togliatti and was understood as characterization of working conditions of communist parties in comparison between different countries after the de-stalinization in the former Soviet Union 1956.

Later the term polycentrism was extended and used for a system with several centres, as unity in diversity (politology, architecture, city planning).

In intercultural competence the term polycentrism is understood as attitude and openness towards other cultures, opinions and ways of life: when intercultural actions and correlations are interpreted not only with the background of own cultural experiences, but when the independence of other cultures is recognized and appreciated and when cultural values are relativized and seen in the whole context. This in the way of non-ethnocentrism, opposite to ethnocentrism.

In an article in The Nation (March 6, 2006) on “The World Social Forum: Protest or Celebration,” Michael Blanding writes, “This year, the Caracas forum was one of three in a new ‘polycentric’ format intended to foster more regional collaboration.” The quotes around “polycentric” indicate that this is a new use of the word. It is apt, in that most of those who attend gatherings like the World Social Forum are opposed to what could be called the “unicentrism” that characterizes imperial, neoliberal, and neoconservative economic and political theories and institutions; such people could be said to adherents to “polycentrism.”

Posted by LloydMiller on 10/13/11 08:59 PM

Your entire enterprise here at the Daily Bell is marred by your failure to understand the polycentric nature of the ruling class!

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“The polycentric nature of the ruling class!”

Obviously, you feel you have some deep, secret insights. Maybe at some point you will explain them!

Posted by LloydMiller on 10/13/11 08:54 PM

Carroll Quigley, himself of tenured Georgetown Jesuit catspaw, in his opus TRAGEDY and HOPE, opined he had no objection world government advocated by Rhodes-Milner EXCEPT that Britain MUST BE a continental, not an Altlantic power! Elsewhere he favored DeGaul’s attack on the AngloAmerican power nexus! Quigley represent the Vatican EU attempted rout of traditional AngloAmerican world domination. Now, perhaps, the dead hand of Vatican statism meets its demise, choking on insane over-regulation, over-centralization, worthless paper currency, insane immigration policies, alliance with even deader hand of Islam, etc.

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Posted by LloydMiller on 10/13/11 08:44 PM

Good grief! Are you totally unaware that the European Union was basically a Vatican/Rockefeller Plot to finish off the traditional world straddling AngloAmerican Empire: the Empire of the City? Now the EMPIRE of the CITY perhaps sees the opportunity to LIQUIDATE the continental arrogance it was too weak to stop earlier! The City has triumphed before over Louis XIV, Napoleon, the Kaiser, Hitler, etc.

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Posted by cosmos on 10/13/11 07:37 PM

These people will kill any amount of anybody to keep their dream of “One World Government” alive. I can’t believe they’d let their most prized accomplishment die a quite and peaceful death.

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Posted by memehunter on 10/13/11 05:33 PM

Posted by David_Robertson on 10/13/11 04:55 PM
That coincidence IS certainly intriguing; the exact prediction, word for word. They may subscribe to each other’s views although I doubt that they have much in common after listening to Bix Weir’s interview with SGTbull07. More likely a plagiarising and given the intense technical approach and clarity of Bix Weir I would think he is the original source.

The prediction has some backing in the form of a vision from September 11, 1996. This date is associated with the Occupy Washington event which started on September 17 which was the final day of a prayer campaign that began on September 11, 2011 in the Twin Cities to bring down the walls of Jericho (Babylon). This in turn was connected with the attack and collapse of the Twin Towers of Greed and Pride on 9/11. This vision was not given to Bix Weir but another believer who recorded it in their journal. The vision was repeated and it was of the Big Board on the NYSE, the date was October 17 and everyone was panicking.

On the interview with SGTbull07 the subject of the Global Settlements came up. No doubt you have heard of them: trillions of dollars in a secret hoard all ready to re-liquidate the world economy when the “good” guys win. Bix Weir seemed to be sceptical of their existence on the basis that when fiat currencies go then everything will freeze up. I would agree with him if indeed the Global Settlements are all in paper and held in banks.

However there is another 9/11 theory I have come across that fingers money at the centre of the attack. Whether one accepts this or not the story line is that there is a HUGE stash of gold that has been used to fund black ops through gold leasing since WWII and it is possible that this is what will be available to re-liquidate the world system after the Crash. Click to view link

Alright, after all that my own view is still that the Crash is being engineered and that the banking system will collapse and take global trade with it. I have also good grounds for believing that someone has been accumulating massive amounts of gold for at least sixty years and this is one reason for the manipulation of the gold markets, to enable accumulation of these massive amounts of gold at bargain prices.

Bix Weir’s theory certainly supports that belief but he seems to believe that there are “good” guys like Alan Greenspan and Ron Paul behind it working against the “bad” guys like the Rothschilds. He believes this as far as I can tell because the “secret” was revealed in some children’s books called Wishes and Rainbows put out by the Fed. I still have to read the articles covering this discovery so I am not sure how reliable it is.

Once again my own belief has always been that the “White Knight” riding to the rescue will be a spiritual event. My belief is that there are no “good” guys in the natural realm in a position to do this so I am left with the dystopian view that the bad guys are indeed destroying their creature (Babylon) in order to usher in their version of “salvation” for mankind but they will be destroyed when the sons of God in Jesus Christ are manifested from the spiritual realm at the very moment of their (the bad guys’) triumph.

I believe Bix Weir is a Christian and he may be basing his beliefs on a literal natural reading of scripture whereas my interpretation is a spiritual one. Obviously I believe my interpretation is true otherwise I would not believe it.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

Yes, I heard about the Settlements but I am extremely skeptical about them, whether fiat currencies or gold. Apart from the fact that I question their existence, I don’t necessarily see why adding more gold to the system would do anything, as this is basically inflation (or GQE – “golden quantitative easing”). Yes, it adds liquidity but I fail to see how it can, in itself, “reboot” the system. Hasn’t Bernanke been doing essentially the same, albeit with a debt-based fiat currency, for a couple of years now?

Perhaps DB or someone more qualified than I am on economical questions could answer that.

I read Weir’s articles on Wishes and Rainbows two years ago and was not sure what to think of them. It is intriguing, to be sure, especially given the fact that these books were put out by the Fed.

Clif High (Half Past Human) seems to suggest that the bankers themselves will be very surprised by this sudden turn of events (Oct 15-17) and will end up as the losers, according to his predictions. We will see…

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