What a good thing for Government the People Don’t Think-HITLER..2010 IS ALMOST HERE…..TRUTH WHY TROOPS ARE KEPT ABROAD…

2010 – Its coming, your freedom is going
This is an article about databases, (dozens of them), ID cards, surveillance, rights, liberty and social conditioning through state sponsored propaganda. It all comes together in 2010.

Imagine for a moment, that both the Government (NuLab) and the main opposition parties were all working together to the same ends, with either tacit support or complicity on the march towards 2010, because we don’t see any official opposition to it.

Lets look at some evidence to support that theory. I want to make clear at this point that in quoting senior Nazi’s in this article, is not to suggest that Brown’s government is forming a Nazi government, but to show that he is using the same methods and tactics employed by 1930’s Germany in order to achieve his goals.

In the modern context, if we begin from the basis that the War on Terror* is the Big Lie.

Then the continual news media bombardment for 10 years of the terror threat, high profile media frenzy arrests, spurious ministerial announcements, Home Office and Police leaks to the press, demonisation of young Muslims in much the same way that Stalin and Hitler used the lie of external enemies to secure their totalitarian regimes, we see that everything that has happened by way of legislation over the past 10 years has supposedly been driven by that lie.

Big Lie is a propaganda technique in which the lie is so complex that the public will either dismiss it as impossible or choose not to believe it out of wilful ignorance. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.

Indeed, the American Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler’s psychological profile said:
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

If you believe as I do that this perfectly sums up UK Government over the past 10 years, then read on.

26,000 new laws, 3000 new criminal offences to stop what has been at best a very sporadic ineffective onslaught of terrorism in the UK.
Virtually none of these new laws have been opposed during their passage through parliament. One can only therefore assume a degree of collusion in their passing through the house, as I cannot believe that opposition MP’s were unaware of their content, implied and actual denial of freedoms and rights, nor struggled for any input into ensuring that many of the more draconian laws had safeguards built in to ensure they were never misused.

It is true that during this period, the Government have enjoyed a majority in Parliament, but that does not defer from my thoughts of collusion. Indeed it was a Tory ex whip who introduced the most damming legislation to silence those who want to know what is happening with his Freedom of Information amendment bill.

In order to maintain the lie, not only do you need to keep repeating it, but you also need to offer carrots from time to time, to ensure that the population believes that you are actually working for their benefit.

One of those smoke and mirror exercises was the expendable introduction of the Regional Assemblies throughout England. Although initially opposed, and in the pilot areas voted down, they were implemented at huge cost anyway, knowing that this would attract a good deal of public opposition, including token opposition from the Tories and Liberals.

Finally you give the public what it wants by abolishing them, only to give the powers to the unelected RDA’s, which had been set up quietly in the background. Joe Public never having been told about RDA’s, they not getting any state approved media coverage, doesn’t see them as a waste or unnecessary regulation body in the same way as the Regional Assemblies, and being satisfied that the Assemblies are now gone, doesn’t realise that the powers that they wielded have not. The carefully controlled media highlighted the abolition of the RA’s, but gave little or no coverage to the RDA’s.
Smoke and Mirrors, job done.

We have seen for a whole raft of Government projects with initial explanations and justifications, changes to those as campaigns were launched, changes again to suit the stories of the day, as the costs keep mounting and the juggernaut keeps rolling on.

One of the largest of these projects is ID Cards. Again, this is a smoke and mirror exercise. This project has attracted a good deal of public opposition, but so far we have only token political opposition from the Tories, who have promised to scrap the cards, and none from the Liberals. We unfortunately have not seen the same commitment for the underlying databases.

In keeping with the Big Lie process, ID Cards are attracting a lot of interest. The costs keep mounting, the technology is unproven, the orders have not yet been placed. These are the headlines, but in the background lots of work has been going on, with the databases, but not the big single big brother database, something much worse, little brothers.
The huge databases at the DWP, the DVLA and HMRC are to be linked to form the NIR, the National Identity Register.

This is why the Gateway reviews on the ID Card project, and others, were ordered destroyed by the Treasury, and this is why the majority of the contractors working for the IT Consulting groups working on these projects are from the Indian sub continent.

With the large part of the work now done, the rules for the Highly Skilled Migrant programme that brought those contractors here are now being changed, to force them home again. The Treasury and Gordon Brown need to hide the secretive nature of the work being undertaken until 2010.

The Cards themselves are expendable, just as the Regional Assemblies were, something to attract public opposition, backed by the token political opposition, but they are just the front end, they are politically expendable, thereby giving something back to the public when they are scrapped.

Understand that it not the cards themselves that matter to this government, but the ability to gather, collate and use information. Information about you, your families, your possessions and income, in fact everything about your life, now and in the past. Information as any ex Stasi or KGB man will tell you, is power.
It will become apparent a little later why ID Cards are a smoke and mirror exercise.

In the years 2009 and 2010 all the major government IT projects will see the completion of some, and limited roll out of others but they all come together in 2010.

The ID cards 2009, (will come back to this)
The National Identity Register 2010,
Immigration Passport Service interrogation centres 2009,
The upgraded National DNA Database 2010,
The upgraded National Fingerprint Database 2009,
The Children’s Fingerprint Database 2009,
The upgraded Police National Computer 2009,
All e-Passports 2009,
The National Number Plate Recognition System project 2009,
Employment systems 2009,
The enhanced Police National Computer/Interpol link system 2009,
MI5’s Scope project 2010,
The Home Office C-Nomis project 2009,
The Children’s Register Contactpoint 2009,
Terminal 5 at Heathrow 2009,
Phase II Home Information PackS 2010,
The e-borders system 2009,
The DWP Customer Information system 2009,
The NHS NPfIT 2010,
The European SEPA (Single European Payment Area) project 2009/2010

and many more unnamed or secret projects

This all happens at the same time as the final ratification of the European Constitution 2009, just before the European Parliament Elections 2009

changes to the law to allow data sharing have made it possible for it all to come together in 2009/2010 to become one huge interactive database system. In 2010 it also joins up with the European systems.

Government have consistently argued their case that these system are necessary to fight crime, or terrorism, your right to employment and health care etc, and that the data will only be used for the initial purpose it is collected for, would never be shared, and that data one one system can never be used elsewhere.

On a one project at a time basis its easy to argue the lie, link them all together it is not so easy, and its use becomes much clearer. By linking these databases government now have a profile of you. Where you work, how much you earn, tax you pay, where you travel, how you travel, when you get sick, which doctor or hospital you use, what medication you receive, in short, what you cost to run vs what you earn for the state.  A modern day Europe wide electronic ‘Doomsday Book’.

All the trappings of a totalitarian state.

As Dizzy quite rightly elaborates:
What’s important to point out here is this is not about saying you think Gordon Brown and the Labour Government are secretly trying to enslave us all in an Orwellian nightmare with the ultimate aim of destroying democracy. No, this is about asking whether the proposal passes the Stalin Test. Would someone like Stalin have found a system like this useful?

Just because today’s politicians are not, or at least appear not to be, maniacal megalomaniacs, it does not mean that there won’t be one in the future, and frankly it is naive to think that it can’t happen. This means we should be exceptionally careful when we build the infrastructure of state that could so be easily used for purposes of political oppression.

And as one commenter in the Times stated:
I wondered how such gross authoritarian abuses could be coming about in modern Britain but then I looked up my MP. Lo and behold it turns out she received a Scottish West coast Catholic education, became a teacher and is now a minister in the Department of Work & Pensions. I particularly note that her ‘other interests’ include studying the social system of the former East Germany. Suddenly it all becomes depressingly clear.
Jim, Cumbernauld,

 



Now I come back to the ID cards, the smoke and mirrors that this government is planning to employ. YES, they will scrap them, but only as they are presented to us now, so the anti card campaigns will wither and die on the vine, the Tories will be cock a hoop and say we won the argument for you.

Now look at your bank and credit cards. Then look at your families cards, and your friends and colleagues cards. They all expire in 2009 or 2010.

Government problems with the ID cards as presented are well documented, with their lack of expertise, so who better to issue and administer an ID card system for government, than the Banks.

When your bank and credit cards expire, in order to get new ones, or in fact any banking or financial services, you must first be on all the relevant databases or you will be denied the use of both government and financial services throughout Europe.

The European SEPA project is looking for total harmonisation of electronic banking throughout Europe by 2010, but in the UK bank and bank issued credit cards will also double up as your ID Card. This had been agreed between banks and Treasury as far back as 2004, in conjunction with the National Smart Cards Project. (very quiet and low key)

When the new cards are introduced you won’t be able to buy, rent or sell a house; buy, sell or lease a car; open a bank account or draw over £99 in cash from one; obtain a telephone landline, mobile phone or internet connection, visit a doctor, a hospital or buy anything at a pharmacy; or obtain a passport, without first obtaining permission via the ID card element.

You won’t be able to get a job, temporary or permanent, as employers will demand them as they have to prove they are only employing eligible people, without first obtaining permission via the ID card element..

Further, the Home Secretary will be able to suspend or revoke your ID card whenever, for whatever reason, without any judicial oversight or right to appeal. It will become your provisional licence to live in the U.K., whether native or alien, which could be taken away at any time.

The consequences of this are clear.

No bank card = no ID Card.
No ID Card means no banking, no work, no benefits, no nothing.
That means you cannot pay bills, or your mortgage, run your car or travel. (the first iteration is being field tested now)

The number of debts that will mount as a result will be horrific. Government have already changed the law to allow debt collectors right of entry into your home without court orders.

The number of repossessions will rise dramatically as mortgages default, again the laws have been changed to make it easier to repossess, and as the number of dispossessed people rises, crime will also rise (which is why they wanted the cards and databases), so the numerous laws and new criminal offences are already in place to tackle that.

If the numbers and public anger gets out of hand, and people organise and riot, the laws are already in place for that too, with SOCA being able to act outside of judicial oversight, especially if rioters are reclassified as social terrorists, which is why they have been pushing for the 90 days internment so strongly. The new EU paramilitary police force European Gendarmerie Force (EGF) could also be used.

HIPS was introduced to ensure that there would be a database of all the homes in the UK. In order to buy loyalty, just as Hitler and Stalin did, giving repossessed homes to loyal party workers fulfilled their needs.

We were warned many years ago that the peoples of the western world would soon be herded, chipped and classified, and that it would all be run by governments and the banks. As part of the Big Lie it has always been fobbed off as conspiracy theory, a joke, ideas of the nutters. Somehow it doesn’t seem so stupid now.

Now we have proof that credit cards are to be used for people tracking.

Those 26,000 new laws were never aimed at terrorists, they are aimed at you.!!

And don’t expect the Tories or Liberals to help us out of this. Instead, ask the question why so many opposition front bencher’s have got second jobs, most with financial institutions and banks.

But, I hear you cry, I haven’t seen that on the telly. Would you honestly expect them to tell you that you are about to lose everything by using the biggest lie in the world, along with the distraction of the Global Warming scam.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

– Joseph Goebbels

The other vital part of the Big Lie, the key component, was to ensure that the military was kept fully occupied, at full stretch and out of the UK during the entire time that this lie was being perpetrated.

So 2010 is the date that everything is coming together, and if you were thinking of getting out, moving to sunnier climes, think again because this not just happening in the UK, but also in Brussels, (strangely this database is now almost devoid of the hundreds of working papers that populated it only 3 months ago) in Paris, (French entry missing) Berlin,(Germany’s ID Card documentation is also missing),  Rome, (and Italy and Belgium) Strasbourg, in Washington, in Montreal, in Delhi, Canberra and Tokyo.

They are all working together towards a brave new world, beginning in 2010.
Same time as the North American Union or Mexamericanada.

Documents that I published back in March are still available at this stage, but I do have copies should they mysteriously disappear also.

 

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See also the reports ‘Options for administrative actions towards the i2010 inclusive eGovernment goal’ <!–[if !vml]–><!–[endif]–>

and ‘Analysis of European target groups related to inclusive eGovernment’ <!–[if !vml]–><!–[endif]–>

You can see also the plan of activities 2007-2010 for eGovernment Efficiency and Effectiveness <!–[if !vml]–><!–[endif]–>

 

You may also like to view news from around the rest of Europe as to how they are progressing with their individual national schemes, including problem areas with the technology and privacy concerns, here.

It is also interesting to note that there appears to be little policy beyond 2010 other than financial targets. Try google UK policy 2012 or UK government policy 2012 or 2011 or 2013.

NuLab – Destroyed Britain from the inside out.

* The War on Terror is a direct result of the events of 9/11 in New York and 7/7 in London, events that have never been fully explained, and much speculation still exists with regard to governmental complicity whether direct or indirect, and the flat refusal by the US and UK governments to hold enquiries only fuels that suspicion. Further speculation has arisen following the revelation by the former Italian President Francesco Cossiga that 9/11 was an inside job, part of Operation Gladio, a global false flag operation.

The Big Lie in this context is not of the events themselves, nor the perpetrators, but the proportionality of the response. In over exaggerating the dangers, the Big Lie is developed.

And finally, remember what Hitler said of his own population when putting together his regime.

what a good thing for government the people don’t think…

Goering quote: Thanks to Scipio

Hat tip pjc journal

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10 responses to “What a good thing for Government the People Don’t Think-HITLER..2010 IS ALMOST HERE…..TRUTH WHY TROOPS ARE KEPT ABROAD…

  1. I presume this warms up nicely towards chipping us, too.

    Gosh, I always thought to myself, what’s to stop government being ran by tyrannical crooks who sell their souls, and more importantly their peoples, to the devil? Where does all the money go? By definition of it’s existence, it must have a supreme controller, a supreme god-like elite who owns it all? Why do the govt highlight, via the media, African poverty, but extort and create the very circumstances they then mourn over? It appears, in all these cases, and the millions of over paradoxes, the obvious answer is always the correct one. DON’T TRUST GOVERNMENT. It’s either an outright lie, or a distorted, twisted or half-truth, purposefully modified and implemented with a deliberate and warped goal in mind.

    Unfortunately, when we get to the point where government are OPENLY flaunting their contempt on the public (take the loading of bank debt onto the public, telling us inflation is at 5%!, appointing criminals to office) then nothing short of global war, revolution and total rebuilding will halt this trainwreck.

    I hate to sound cynical. I really would love to come up with a brilliant idea to fight this, but the only thing we can do now is live our religions, those of us fortunate enough to have one, and prepare food, shelter and get out of debt. That is all they have left us to do, because of the very laws and implementations you’ve been through. When we live in a democracy where any of us could be swiped off the street and thrown in a cell indefinitely without a word, well… as Del Boy would say, Goodnight Vienna.

  2. The Roman Empire was Brought down,
    A mouse can bring an elephant to it’s knees.
    Swiped off the street, yes to a point, thats’ why groups get together the government isn’t that stupid at all.
    Groups have codes, and numbers can make it very difficult for a corporation that doesn’t want to make waves.

    Don’t give in to fear belief in God should prevent that.
    Tell you what tucks me up laughing;
    Ever since these traitors and liars started with the global warming hoax,
    The weather across the globe has been lousy snow in Cuba the Saudis are even cold,
    The snow has fallen thick and fast which will be a good year for winter holiday skiing.
    God will not be mocked!

    Inflation has been in double figures for months, thats’ kinda like the claim crime is falling!

    They just lie all the time, remember these guys are salesmen trying to sell a lie.
    Don’t buy it!

    Where does the money go, setting up a NWO is very expensive, plus the corporation has share holders they also need a profit just as the board members do.

    Their pockets are never empty when sat on the board.
    Think of them as criminals whose dirty little fingers help themselves to our money, that way you won’t go far wrong.

    The city of London that state within a state with it’s own laws has many secrets to hide.
    Rothschilds, the Royals of Europe and here are not innocent in this.
    All the super rich bankers the Sheiks and those pole climbers that one day will be discarded when their time comes the Blairs Clintons the grovvelers etc.

    There has never been a need for Africa to starve that was used by the Global elites to pull a veil over their works.
    The trillions paid over the years would have if used properly, ended all famine etc.

    We are dealing with inhumans but with human frailties.
    They are full of fear and thats’ where we have one over them,
    We use our laws and love of country.

    They fear Nationalism, hence they try to destroy it,
    They fear religion Christianity and the family.
    Use these weapons they hate so much.
    Remember they can only kill you once!

    Join TPUC plenty weapons there and all legal.
    All they offer is help nothing else at all.
    When you know your rights’ it’s surprising how good that feels.
    It makes the board members look very small indeed.

    Failed teachers, failed solicitors etc whats’ to be scared of?
    On their own they’d shit themselves without a script or spin doctor by their side.
    Thats’ cowardice, why won’t they appear on TV with a group like ours without written questions beforehand?
    No holds barred whatsoever?

    Simple fear!
    Theres’ a hundred things we can do, but giving up is not one of them.

    Our laws are good laws, and those i obey.
    Laws spewed out from the EUSSR are not our laws and can be ignored!

    Try it, it’s empowering believe me!
    Forget that word Democracy–it’s not been that for decades.

    The salesmen repeat it just to reassure themselves and the sheepie that follow them walking three steps behind.
    Imagine if all folk in debt be it a mortgage or credit cards just walked away,
    All workers refused their tax demands and fines.

    What would or could the ruling elite do?

  3. And the poor saps that voted in Obama, expecting that Change, the very Fabian Change,
    Looks like they will be sorely disappointed.
    Heres’ the change -all Fabian CFR so far..

    Obama’s Council On Foreign Relations Crew
    Out with the old regime, in with the old regime

    Meet some of president elect Obama’s leading foreign and domestic policy advisors and likely administration members, every one of them a prominent member of the Council On Foreign Relations.

    Will these people bring about “change” or will they continue to hold up the same entrenched system forged by the corporate elite for decades?

    Susan E. Rice – Council on Foreign Relations, The Brookings Institution – Served as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs under Clinton from 1997 to 2001. Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright is a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Critics charge that she is is ill disposed towards Europe, has little understanding of the Middle East and would essentially follow the same policies of Condoleeza Rice if appointed the next Secretary of State or the National Security Adviser.

    Anthony Lake – CFR, PNAC – Bill Clinton’s first national security adviser, who was criticized for the administration’s failure to confront the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and now acknowledges the inaction as a major mistake.

    Zbigniew Brzezinski – CFR, Trilateral Commission – Brzezinski is widely seen as the man who created Al Qaeda, and was involved in the Carter Administration plan to give arms, funding and training to the mujahideen in Afghanistan.

    Richard Clarke – CFR – Former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council under Bush. Notoriously turned against the Bush administration after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. Also advised Madeleine Albright during the Genocide in Rwanda.

    Ivo Daalder – CFR, Brookings, PNAC – Co-authored a Washington Post op-ed with neocon Robert Kagan arguing that interventionism is a bipartisan affair that should be undertaken with the approval of our democratic allies.

    Dennis Ross – CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC – Served as the director for policy planning in the State Department under President George H. W. Bush and special Middle East coordinator under President Bill Clinton. A noted supporter of the Iraq war, Ross is also a Foreign Affairs Analyst for the Fox News Channel.

    Lawrence Korb – CFR, Brookings – Director of National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Has criticized manor of the invasion of Iraq but has detailed plans to increase the manpower of the United States Army to fight the war on terror and to “spread liberal democratic values throughout the Middle East”.

    Bruce Reidel – CFR, Brookings – Former CIA analyst who wishes to expand the war on terror to fight Al Qaeda across the globe. Considered to be the reason behind Barack Obama’s Hawkish views on Pakistan and his Pro India leanings on Kashmir.

    Stephen Flynn – CFR – Has been attributed with the idea for Obama’s much vaunted “Civilian Security Force”. Flynn has written: “The United States should roughly replicate the Federal Reserve model by creating a Federal Security Reserve System (FSRS) with a national board of governors, 10 regional Homeland Security Districts, and 92 local branches called Metropolitan Anti-Terrorism Committees. The objective of this system would be to develop self-funding mechanisms to more fully engage a broad cross-section of American society to protect the country’s critical foundations from the widespread disruption that would arise from a terrorist attack.”

    Madeline Albright – CFR, Brookings – Currently serves on the Council on Foreign Relations Board of directors. Secretary of State and US Ambassador to the United Nations under Clinton. Did not take action against the genocide in Rwanda. Defended the sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein. When asked by CBS’s 60 Minutes about the effects of sanctions: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” Albright replied: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it.”

    This is by no means an exhaustive list. Of course, had John McCain become president, being a member of the CFR himself, his administration would have been replete with CFR representatives also. Max Boot, Lawrence Eagleburger and Henry Kissinger, to name but a few, are all CFR members and were all advisors to the McCain campaign.

    Please do your own research and add more names in the comments section of this report. It is important to document how these people are a part of the engine of global elitism and do not represent change. Only with this understanding will others wake up to the false left-right paradigm and be able to create the environment for real political change.

    communitariarism Obamas Favorite subject, in other words a kind of Communism, yea he will rob the rich ok but it won’t go to the poor.
    Those that created the jobs will be sadly missed by workers when they start to starve.
    In the American depression men would hold baskets full of money on the streets,
    The basket was worth more than the money.
    That too was a manufactured crisis.

    .

  4. Hi Centurean

    I’m completely with you on the false left/right paradigm. A complete illusion. As Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy & Hope, both sides are fully paid up by the establishment, and are so near in purpose as to render the whole politicial system nothing more than window-dressing to the unwitting public to believe that democracy exists. You’re ample list of the respective allies and cronies in the opposing administrations highlights this perfectly. The evidence is endless. John Kerry and George Bush are distant relatives who both studied at Yale and were part of Skull & Bones.

  5. I’m engaged in one of those hopeless campaigns…

    The Goebbels quotation you use is almost certainly false. Something over 14,000 web pages cite it — no one ever gives a source.

  6. Then research is called for, i do prefer to know the correct origins of quotes.

    Perhaps a German Site would be more use, mainly for historic purposes.

    An undertaking that for now i cannot pursue, good luck with your search and do please let me know should you have success!

    Thanks!

  7. Cool Runnigs, Theres’ chat that even Obama is related to Bush and he to the British Royals.

    It appears Mandleson is related to the Bankers’ involved in the NWO it seems the cabal is very intertwined.

    When folk get their heads around the fact that Westminster is a corporation nothing less or more then they too will realise the sham it all is.

    It will be fun when Americans realise that the IRS is British owned that they pay taxes to the UK.

    The Deceit is mind boggling, the boggle quickly turning to anger when it’s there to see in black and white!

  8. Mind-boggling indeed – or seen in red, as per the lovely public debt they’ve amassed for us!

    But as that quote goes, Hitler I think, make the lie so big and bold that it would seem simply too preposterous to ever be true. Give them that, they know their stuff and cover most bases pretty well.

  9. Unlike Ian at PJC A complete gentleman
    I do call this Gov Nazis!
    Bilderberg set up by Nazis-members inc Mandleson- Blair Ashdown-Clark a cross party of Fascists.
    Then we have one of it’s founders the Pope of all bloody people.
    Terrorist Attacks-The IRA attacked more for Christs sake, add to that the Gov attack more than anybody!

    Too many things were missing after 7/7 like everyone at first i accepted the Gov Line.
    Then thought well; they lied over the Serbs over Iraq Afghanistan-why not about 7/7…………….They lied over that too.
    Compulsive liars just lie constantly.

  10. Randall…When you return.

    For sure the quote originated with Stalin,re the big lie….fitting when one thinks’ of the Fabians.

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