Sunday, May 3, 2009
NEWS ABOUT THE QUESTION OF BARAK OBAMA’S ELIGIBILITY: see below: A Crack in the concrete wall on eligibility to be President!
The Question of Eligibility By Joseph Farah, Publisher, Whistleblower – monthly publication of worldnetdaily.com)
What you hold in your hands (or could hold – the April 2009 issue of Whistleblower, jsk) is the result of an astonishing undertaking. It is not only the most complete and thorough exposé of the eligibility questions surrounding Barack Obama’s presidency. It is an indictment of the process that put him in the White House, January 20 of this year. Perhaps the most astonishing part of this story is that virtually no other media outlet is even prepared to examine these questions seriously.
To me, this is a historic issue of whistleblower magazine. I do not pretend to know where the information you are about to read will lead. But, I do know that it is explosive, profoundly important and represents much more than the future of the Barack Obama administration. No less than our Constitution — the foundation of our national liberties and the rule of law in America — is at stake.
The story is at once complicated and quite simple. It begins with something everyone can understand – a birth certificate. You have to produce one to get a driver’s license. You need to produce one to enroll your children in school or sports programs. You need to produce one to get a passport. But, despite a clear constitutional requirement that presidents of the United States must be “natural born citizens,” apparently you do — not need to produce one to assume that office.
That begs the question. How do we establish that a presidential candidate is actually a natural born citizen”? And, the sad answer that question is that we don’t. We don’t know whether Barack Obama is a “natural born citizen.” And, we don’t know because he has steadily refused to produce proof for the American people.
Even worse, in my opinion, is the fact no one in authority seemed or seems willing to demand it. For instance, I had assumed prior to 2008, that the Federal Elections Commission would have responsibility for ensuring that our constitution is observed in the conduct of our presidential elections. I was wrong.
I had assumed, prior to 2008, that the Electoral College was bound to ensure that our Constitution is observed in the conduct presidential elections. I was wrong.
1 had assumed, prior to 2008, that the Congress of the United States was bound to ensure that our Constitution is observed in the conduct of our presidential elections. I was wrong.
I had assumed, prior to 2008, that the Supreme Court was bound to ensure that our Constitution is observed in the conduct presidential elections. I was wrong
I had assumed, prior to 2008, that state attorneys general and secretaries of state were bound to ensure that our Constitution is observed in the conduct of our presidential elections. I was wrong again.
Amazingly, what we earned prior to Barack Obama’s inauguration as president January 20, 2009, is that no controlling legal authority bothered to establish that he was constitutionally eligible as a “natural born citizen.”
The first test would have been the inspection of his birth certificate. It may not have resolved all the questions regarding his foreign parentage and his foreign residency, but it would be a necessary starting point in establishing his eligibility.
Everybody dropped the ball. The system failed. And, the result of that breakdown is an unprecedented lack of confidence in our governing institutions.
Nevertheless, this is the controversy that must go unmentioned – according to the Big Media gatekeepers. There is a price for discussing it in anything more than hushed tones. You will be called a ‘conspiracy theorist” or worse — a “birther.”
I’ll accept the title, if a “birther” is anyone who believes the Constitution really means what it plainly says about the president needing to be a ‘natural born citizen.”
The insults won’t stop WND, Whistleblower, or me from covering this issue as we have throughout the campaign and since the election. It’s not going away — not until we see the complete birth certificate instead of the certification of live birth, and get some answers to questions of obviously growing concern to millions of Americans.
I don’t know what Barack Obama is hiding by not releasing his complete birth certificate. But, it should be obvious to one and all that he is hiding something. Why continue to respond to a battery of lawsuits with legal maneuvering – fighting them by claiming that bona fide U.S. citizens — who aren’t afraid to show their birth certificates — don’t have legal standing. Why not just release the documents we all need to show to get a driver’s license, to travel abroad, to play Little League baseball or to enroll in public school?
Ask this question before a group of reporters in this country and you will be hissed, booed and ridiculed. We know, because we’ve been asking it for a long time — some say too long. Just wait until they see this issue of Whistleblower!
2.sent by WAKE UP AMERICANS. Thank you, DS
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
Dear patriots to the Constitution and the bill of rights:
[Please read the following and share with all you can gather the Issues provided here:]
Strange how our national media has not mentioned a thing about this in the last few weeks since this story hit.
Wonder why!!!
Pray for justice to be done! P.
Pray everyone, that the Lord opens the door to the deceit pressed upon us by our media and so many who voted for CHANGE! Pray for all the members of the Committee on Foreign Relations (The Iluminatii) and that the banks in their control are ruined and never to arise again. For the Lord as our Shield we can not fail. So ACT now send this everywhere in the World! Pray our Supreme Court will open up to hearing the facts and rule that Barack Hussien Obama is a treacherous infiltrator.
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Obama Faces More Questions on Citizenship
April 02, 2009
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s
qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of
Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts
from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that
Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign
student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was
released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit
brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript
shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a
fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship
program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign
citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many
of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.
The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts
increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as
president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings
with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment
on the issue. Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at
the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing
conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the
administration’s efforts to move the country in a new direction.
Britain’s Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article
titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned”, leading some to speculate that the
story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the
U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice
Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear
arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a
case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual
citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is
just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s
citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results
of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates
that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year
with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure
of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation
is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S.
attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the
matter.
This man, Obama; certainly resembles the Antichrist. Or at least the forerunner!
Obama is just the placeman, those behind him that pull his strings are where to look, Obama is a weak Judas, one of many!!
It’s no accident these men are trained mainly in law, any law court, any day they put on a rather good act.
Why can we not get people to see the truth before it is to late?
Dumbed down with a selfish streak built in, to get folk to see the truth that takes effort on their part, effort they’ve become too appathetic to care to put the time in required to think for themselves.
We have an excellent example today of our very sick society, one pop singer dies, perhaps by his own hand, yet every single radio station since the news erupted has been taken over hour on end, whimpering sobbing people of all ages, egged on by host’s, that can pass an easy three hour programme without one minutes effort.
When did this faded star last release anything at all?
Yet month after month across the western world, we’ve young men and women in the hundreds, arriving back to their homes and loved ones in body bags, Joe public too busy to even notice. let alone shed tears or feel the slightest pang of sorrow.
Hysterics, for a what was a multi millionaire, that could have fed more people with his fortune, earned by singing about the poor of the world. instead chose to become consumer number one, blew it all, then struggled to organise a farewell concert that would earn him more millions.
People are being played like violins with a conductor that leads their every move, they fail to see that men like Obama are chosen, not by the electorate but by the real hidden governments.
To work things out for yourself, research and an open mind is needed, not a sponge that soaks up and clings to whatever it’s fed,
Sadly what they feared most, due to their politicians warnings, will be the place they will end up in time, their minds can’t work out that all politicians are distracting from their own evil plannings, placing upon a chosen bogey man the publics fears, while these evil doers carry on in peace dismantling the entire Western way of life.
Obama is though, just a placeman, expendable like most others, he’s there to serve a purpose which no doubt in time will become clearer to most.
They rely on Joe publics short span memory, it’s worked well for them in the past. the 50×50 man came along at a convenient time.
What i have come to notice is, those that have their eyes glued to the box in the corner, tend not to use their own GOD given minds, thus allowing the corporate media’s bull to wash over them,[ IT MUST BE TRUE I HEARD IT ON THE BBC].
Yugoslavia, 1990s war, the guy with the skellital frame behind the chicken wire planted to dupe the public into thinking this was a concentration camp for muslims [ this was made clear by the presentor at the time] when it tuned out to be a Serb with cancer recognised by his own daughter, there was a tiny, tiny correction in the Times newspaper on a middle page, not a correction on the same TV stations that fed the lie.
Ask Joe public does he recall that picture, the reply will be yes, it was shocking, then try to unwash the brain with the truth, that’s much harder for them to swallow, their conductor has already guided their mind into accepting the lie.
My money is on the too late option!!
Try telling someone Hitler was infact a Socialist, and not some right wing nutjob, again the brickwall is hit.
Maybe,just maybe people really will deserve their fate whatever it may be.
yes go out & nail that obama soetoro.this is one slimmy corrupt individual that you will ever see
Applies to all the corrupt Fabian Fascist’s that have taken over Western democracies to destroy in their own gradualist ways.
A bunch of Commie TRAITORS!!
SOLDIER IN USA REFUSES TO GO TO AFGHAN WAR—OBAMA NOT AMERICAN CITIZEN……………….
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/776335.html
United We Stand — Divided We Fall
In the late summer of 2009 the United States population is divided into three groups as America teeters on the edge of falling into the abyss.
The first division (the largest) totally believes the person currently occupying the White House is a natural born citizen despite the fact that the current White House occupant and his supporters have not produced the proper credentials to prove he is a natural born citizen. These persons also dismiss out-of-hand without consideration or investigation any potential legitimate foreign birth certificates related to the person occupying the White House such as the document presented in the courts by Orly Taitz http://orlytaitzesq.com
The second division does not care where the current occupant of the White House was born and thinks he should remain President of the United States simply because he was “elected.” These persons also dismiss out-of-hand without consideration or investigation any potential legitimate foreign birth certificates related to the person occupying the White House such as the document presented in the courts by Orly Taitz.
The third division (the smallest) demands that any person occupying the White House must prove they are a natural born citizen with the proper credentials. These persons also demand that if the current occupant of the White House cannot produce the proper credentials, the current occupant must resign immediately or be removed by the courts or legislature as soon as possible. These persons also demand a thorough investigation into any potential legitimate foreign birth certificates related to the person occupying the White House such as the document presented in the courts by Orly Taitz.
In July of 2009, a mother displayed a copy of a long-form birth certificate for her twin daughters that were born in the same hospital of the current occupant of the White House. The twins were born the day before the alleged birth date of the current occupant of the White House. All he has to do is present an identical certified long-form birth document and every one of the constitutional issues will be resolved. Why is there no transparency and honesty regarding a simple document that is supposedly in the files of the Hawaiian government?
Reality Check: The United States Constitution has specific requirements for a person to be a U.S. Congressional Representative, Senator and President. The words and phrases in the U.S. Constitution regarding the requirements of electing Congressional Representatives, Senators and Presidents are the realities America has followed since the late 1700s. The U.S. Constitution became a full reality in1789.
What is the term used in psychiatry when a person or a group of individuals lose contact with a reality that has functioned and been followed for 220 years? The disconnected state is labeled psychosis. The specific definition of the word psychosis is:
“any severe mental disorder in which contact with reality [such as the U.S. Constitution] is lost or highly distorted.”
So how has America come to the point where two thirds of the citizenry and most of the corporate print and television news media have lost contact with the realities of the U.S. Constitution and live and function in a psychotic state? More bizarrely, why do the first and second division psychotics, label the third group as being racists, bigots or their favorite new buzz word “birthers” as if being a “birther” is a negative mental condition? Why do first and second division psychotics hurl their accusations as the current occupant of the White House cannot produce a real and certified U.S. birth document?
We need look no further than the persons who nurtured, supported and promoted the previous and current occupants of the White House for the answers to these questions. The current occupant’s first job was provided by Henry Kissinger and then he became a protégée of Zbigneiw Brzezinski. Kissinger and Brzezinski are both Senior Fellows of the Center for Strategic Studies at Jesuit Georgetown University and belong to numerous other elite groups. These two individuals and their organizations are unabashed supporters of a One World Government and New World Order since the 1950s. These individuals and their organizations also inserted the previous occupant into the White House and they planned for and calculated there would be a back lash to the previous occupant’s power and policies.
They control their created problem (previous White House occupant) and they provide their created solution (current White House occupant) but the base policies do not change. True power is when one group controls both the problem and the solution. The hideous torture still goes on at Guantanamo and other secret prisons while 50,000 additional troops with deadly remote controlled air drones pound Afghanistan and other countries. Since 2001, a flood of legislative bills have been presented and passed by both Democrats and Republicans that erode or outright cancel the liberties and freedoms of all humans on Earth.
The previous occupant of the White House declared the U.S. Constitution was “just a god damn piece of paper.” However, divisions one and two as detailed above do not verbally berate the U.S. Constitution — they do one better (or worse) by condemning the U.S. Constitution with their disconnection from the realities set forth in that document related to the qualifications a person must have to be President of the United States. A citizen’s actions or passivity express their berating attitude and mental state far better than a politician’s words. Also a citizen’s actions or passivity are far more powerful and meaningful than a politician’s words.
At this critical juncture in American History, persons like Kissinger and Brzezinski and groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuit operated Center for Strategic Studies have placed a combination foreigner birthed, Manchurian Candidate and Pied Piper into the White House. And while Kissinger, Brzezinski and company promoted their current White House occupant as the solution to their previous White House occupant with the complicit corporate news media, millions of Americans lost contact with the realities of the U.S. Constitution and slipped into a whirlpool state of psychosis. When one provision of the U.S. Constitution is disregarded by the general public then the stage is set for an occupant of the White House to disregard and cancel other provisions related to the rights of free speech, religion, bear arms and self incrimination.
The current occupant of the White House claims he was a Constitutional lawyer therefore he should be very familiar with the requirements to be President of the United States as specifically stated in the U.S. Constitution. However, a Constitutional lawyer spends little time in the courtroom but must publish papers or his reputation and function as a Constitutional lawyer perishes. The current occupant of the White House has yet to produce one paper he or his staff wrote regarding the U.S. Constitution. But the current occupant of the White House admitted in the summer of 2009 that he sucks nicotine into his body by inhaling smoke from blazing tobacco sticks at least four or five times a day. Usually a person who declares they have a four to five a day cigarette habit, have in reality, a one to three pack a day smoker addiction.
If no authentic birth document is tendered or a genuine foreign birth document is presented in a federal court, then the current occupant of the White House knew he was not eligible to run for ANY federal public office. His actions rise to the highest level of fraud and he should be tried in a court of law for his alleged crime(s). But then before the 2008 election, most Americans knew as much about his foreign birth controversy as they did about his addiction to nicotine. In turn, the previous occupant of the White House should be tried for war crimes but the American public remains as passive and silent about that issue as they do about the current occupant of the White House being addicted to nicotine. Henry and Zbig are having a really good chuckle.
As Americans deal with so many issues, the very small minority of persons implementing the One World Government and New World Order have spun the U.S. citizenry into a splintered and confused mob. But this dispersed mob is not armed with pitchforks and bats in a righteous freedom revolution but meekly sits in front of high definition entertainment while cowering in fear of the created and illusionary fiscal, “terrorism” and health crisis situations. Our captors know…United We Stand — Divided We Fall — as they bury our liberties and freedoms to implement their New World Order in an avalanche of fabricated fear.
The reason why the names Bush and Obama have not be used in this article is because they are only symptoms of the problem. Had both George and Barack not been born, Henry and Zbig would have tapped others with the personalities, dynamics and results being the same.
Now is the time for all divisions of the U.S. populace to shed the fear and psychosis and boldly connect with the realities set forth by our forefathers in the documents titled the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
United We Stand as the aware citizenry removes the occupants (Henry and Zbig’s boys and girls) in Washington D.C, all the state capitals and the corporate news media by only electing, listening to and working with dedicated persons who will thoroughly engage our reality into the foundations set forth in America during the late 1700s.
There is a difference between a person qualifying for citizenship and a person qualifying to be a candidate for President of the United States. The U.S. Constitution is very specific about the qualifications for being a candidate for President– read this eighteenth century document for the details because there are no ambiguities but regretfully there are only smokescreens and distractions by volunteer and paid disinformation agents that write on this and other forums.
No Federal court has decided the legitimacy, citizenship and qualifications of a Presidential candidate so any and all previous court cases are meaningless. In all previous court cases regarding Barry’s qualifications and citizenship, the defense has not cited any previous court cases because there are no previous court cases.
The specific task of the disinformation agents is to throw as much mud and crap into the clear waters stated U.S. Constitution so the average citizen throws their arms up in confusion and disgust. Don’t be victim…keep your awareness and state-of-mind and heart penetrating through the mucked waters and fouled air created by Barry’s mud and fog “machine.”
Barry was supposedly a “Constitutional” lawyer (published no papers) so he knows very well the qualifications for one to be a Senatorial and Presidential Candidate. Does he not release any kind a genuine and long-form birth certificate from any location, his passport, his school records, his driver’s license and so many other documents that would determine his citizenship AND his qualifications to be a Senatorial and Presidential candidate because he very well knows he definitely does not meet the criteria as a Federal level politician AND/OR a citizen?
The secrecy and cloaking of EVERY document to make the true and certified determination of his qualifications for BOTH citizenship and being a Senatorial and Presidential candidate and the millions of dollars that have gone into hiding the cornucopia of documents by Barry’s legal and writer hit squads are so sad and very telling that he has to be a fraud and liar.
And that is one of the key issues — Barry and his mentors Henry and Zbig know he does not qualify as a Senatorial and Presidential Candidate so his “machine” and henchmen have committed the highest form of fraud and deception on the America people.
Anyone living in Hawaii, including government officials or a private citizen SAYING anyone is a citizen because they either have SEEN a long-form birth certificate or they BELIEVE there is a long-term birth certificate is HEARSAY in any court of law. Their observations are worthless but again Barry’s subversive agents on this forum and others attempt to create smokescreens and confusion with their baseless observations about hearsay statements and COLB (certificate of live birth). Are Barry’s henchmen writers on this forum ALL volunteers or are they paid mercenaries?
A person using COLB to obtain a passport or birth certificate does not rise to the standards of and never will be the sole criteria a Federal Court will use or consider when qualifying a person as being a legitimate Senatorial or Presidential Candidate.
Let there be no question that if indeed the document does exist, I want and desire a release of and a court of law to determine Barry’s long-form birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii so Barry will exonerate himself from any potential criminal charges of fraud and obstruction of justice. I want this issue to be resolved as much as I want Barry to have been born in Hawaii. Regretfully what we want is sometimes not a reality and truth. And what anyone wants is not the qualifications for another person to be a candidate for Senator or President.
So now that the smokescreens and diversions have been eliminated:
Again just in case you missed the most important point, in July of 2009, a mother displayed a copy of a long-form birth certificate for her twin daughters that were born in the same hospital of the current occupant of the White House. The twins were born the day before the alleged birth date of the current occupant of the White House. All he has to do is present an identical certified long-form birth document and every one of the constitutional issues will be resolved. Why is there no transparency and honesty regarding a simple document that is supposedly in the files of the Hawaiian government?
Because Barry is:
1. a Kenyan Citizen
2. an Indonesian Citizen
3. a U.S. citizen but does not qualify as a candidate for ANY Federal political office.
Sit down, take a deep breath and relax while you take the time to READ the U.S. Constitution and find your answers in the same document that also motivates Barry’s complete silence and concealing any revealing documents related to his true ancestry and birth.
When you finish reading the U.S. Constitution, stay focused and determined and do not let Barry’s volunteer and paid disinformation agents muddle the clear waters and air stated in the U.S. Constitution.
And hopefully the moderator of this forum believes in and follows the first amendment and does not censor me for pointing out the disinformation agents and “machine” running interference for the unqualified and fraudulent Barry for the past two to three years.
Brian David Andersen
A Non-Party Affiliated,
Free, Independent &
Very Proud “Birther”
The fix is in. The patsies are named. Obama’s days are apparently numbered.
Two articles in this weekends Sunday newspapers discuss a risk to Obama’s life.
Rupert Cornwell in the Independent quotes the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) which alleges that a major domestic terrorist attack or a direct hit on Obama is likely:
As one SPLC official puts it, every element is in place for a “perfect storm” of home-grown extremism. For the first time, the detested federal government is run by a black man. A struggling economy fuels discontent, with illegal immigrants accused of stealing American jobs. The military, long a breeding ground of the far right, is sending home veterans in vast numbers. Finally, there is the internet, which simultaneously propagates and intensifies the feelings of true believers–and the conspiracy theories they devour. The US has always had a taste for conspiracy theories, but rarely as now.
That’s a great paragraph, isn’t it? Just about every devil is mentioned – the “detested Federal Government”, “a black man”, “illegal immigrants”, “the military”, “the Internet”. Here, in one paragraph, we have the fears the establishment attempts to put on us, alongside their own.
And then in the Observer, an article from Paul Harris. Covering the same angle as the Independent article, he also carries a quote from Chip Berlet:
This is a very dangerous situation that can spin off “lone wolf” individuals who decide now is the time to act against people they see as an enemy.
So, it’ll be a lone assassin, then? A right wing, disenfranchised, lone gunman?
I don’t think so.
The danger to Obama – the real and present danger – comes from here. Blighty.
Obama’s British based handlers are disgusted with his botched attempts to get a NICE inspired euthenasia healthcare programme passed into law in the USA. Obama has failed, despite his initial much hyped popularity.
Obama – I’ve changed
How did this happen? How did he, who, we’re told, walks on water, fail to get this legislation passed without fuss?
The answer, in a word, is LaRouche. If he had not spoken out in April this year, Obama’s T4 healthcare programme would, no doubt, have passed through congress without so much as a whisper of opposition. While ringing the national and international alarm bells during his webcasts, the LaRouche youth movement have been campaigning hard at the town hall meetings with their posters and their pamphlets.
We in this country should take note of this approach to campaigning – its the only way we’ll win this war we’re fighting.
Will I care if Obama is assassinated? Not really. Or, at least, I care if any human being is murdered, so I’ll care about that much if they get Obama. Even someone as narcissistic and incompetent as he is, has a basic right to stay alive.
Maybe, just maybe, if they try and he lives, he would finally understand that the way he is behaving today, he has no friends. Not a single one. The Queen won’t protect him!
His only chance is to stand with the people of the United States against the supra-national criminal banking cartels. For they are the assassins.
UKCOLUMN.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/2009/08/17/assassinate/
17 October update Obama-2009
OBAMA KENYAN!!
Obama From Kenya, Archived Report Says
Revives worry about president’s eligibility for office
An archived article from 2004 on Barack Obama’s run for the U.S. Senate in Illinois describes the relative political newcomer as “Kenyan-born,” providing further fuel for speculation over the president’s eligibilty for office.
[…]
The report starts out, “Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack (sic) Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.”
[…]
The article is credited to the wire service Associated Press at the bottom of the page. However, the article could not be found either in the AP archives available to the public online or the archive on the newspaper’s website. WND telephone calls and e-mails to the newspaper did not generate a response.
At the Post & Email blog, writer John Charlton offered several explanations, including the suggestion references to Obama’s birth have been scrubbed.
He wrote that a search of Google for the issue produced unusual results.
— Hat tip: JD
Obama gave a US talkshow a call- using the name BARRY.
Reported this AM on UK radio as if Obama had done something strange using this name.
Barry is his name- whats’ so strange -it’s why he uses Barack Hussian Obama they should be questioning!
And you are,
Why on earth should we take your word on anything at all, perhaps AP informed you in person?